4x4 recommendation
Discussion
Hi everyone,
I'm looking for a good 4x4 for both work and as a family vehicle, so it would have to be comfortable and nice inside as I work all over the uk so will spend a lot of time in it, I work on telecoms masts and need something that will get up steep Rocky Mountain tracks, through really boggy/sludgy fields some of which uphill, snowy tacks/fields, and even some shallow streams, doesn't need to be good for towing as I never tow, looking to spend £15k, something reliable that would last 50,000 miles hopefully more.
Thanks!
I'm looking for a good 4x4 for both work and as a family vehicle, so it would have to be comfortable and nice inside as I work all over the uk so will spend a lot of time in it, I work on telecoms masts and need something that will get up steep Rocky Mountain tracks, through really boggy/sludgy fields some of which uphill, snowy tacks/fields, and even some shallow streams, doesn't need to be good for towing as I never tow, looking to spend £15k, something reliable that would last 50,000 miles hopefully more.
Thanks!
Disco3/4/RRS or something like a Jeep Grand Cherokee or maybe even a Wrangler.
Going off piste in the places conditions you state. You'll want a proper 4x4 with good ground clearance, proper off road suspension and preferably some good traction aids too. Off road tyres sound a must as well.
Going off piste in the places conditions you state. You'll want a proper 4x4 with good ground clearance, proper off road suspension and preferably some good traction aids too. Off road tyres sound a must as well.
It'll always be a trade off. MT tyres will generally be noisier on the road and may not wear as well as road tyres and won't have the same on road, road holding. But he reality is, if you really are going on muddy buggy rocky and maybe snowy tracks. They will be a million times better than road tyres or all terrains.
Something like the BFG MT or the Cooper STT PRO would be my sort of choice of tyre.
Something like the BFG MT or the Cooper STT PRO would be my sort of choice of tyre.
Isn't a Grand Cherokee at that price point still going to be the older shape one? Nothing wrong with that but it seems like a lot of money to spend on one. You will have to be careful as well with the size of wheels that will fit on the car. M/T's generally are only widely available up to and including 17" (there are a few sizes in 18 but they may not fit on a standard car).
Jokane94 said:
I think the Cherokee will make a better family carover the wrangler, so might look at getting one of those, When you say the tyres wont have as good road holding do you mean traction? As I like to have a good blast round and known for zooming round bends haha, thanks for your help!
Having "a good blast around" and "zooming round bends" wont be happening in a capable 4x4. Spend £13,000 on a 4x4 and buy a clio 172 or 182 for that.NickColl89 said:
Jokane94 said:
I think the Cherokee will make a better family carover the wrangler, so might look at getting one of those, When you say the tyres wont have as good road holding do you mean traction? As I like to have a good blast round and known for zooming round bends haha, thanks for your help!
Having "a good blast around" and "zooming round bends" wont be happening in a capable 4x4. Spend £13,000 on a 4x4 and buy a clio 172 or 182 for that.It's just about realising and accepting limits. In the dry MT's will move about a bit more, but usually grip fine. Although ultimate grip will be lower than a road tyre, the reality is, most people don't venture that close to the edge of the performance envelope to worry.
In the wet things can be different and large knobbles on tyres can act a bit like slicks, so wet road grip is less. But you just drive to the conditions.
300bhp/ton said:
I kind of disagree, mostly because I have and do have good blasts and go zooming around bends in 4x4's, mostly on MT tyres.
It's just about realising and accepting limits. In the dry MT's will move about a bit more, but usually grip fine. Although ultimate grip will be lower than a road tyre, the reality is, most people don't venture that close to the edge of the performance envelope to worry.
In the wet things can be different and large knobbles on tyres can act a bit like slicks, so wet road grip is less. But you just drive to the conditions.
Something that is needed for this "will get up steep Rocky Mountain tracks, through really boggy/sludgy fields some of which uphill, snowy tacks/fields, and even some shallow streams" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as "have good blasts" and "zooming around bends" but maybe it's just the way it's been worded. It's just about realising and accepting limits. In the dry MT's will move about a bit more, but usually grip fine. Although ultimate grip will be lower than a road tyre, the reality is, most people don't venture that close to the edge of the performance envelope to worry.
In the wet things can be different and large knobbles on tyres can act a bit like slicks, so wet road grip is less. But you just drive to the conditions.
Anything can be driven spiritedly but I'm presuming the aggressive M/T tyres and likely body/suspension lift that will be needed will almost make that borderline dangerous.
NickColl89 said:
Something that is needed for this "will get up steep Rocky Mountain tracks, through really boggy/sludgy fields some of which uphill, snowy tacks/fields, and even some shallow streams" shouldn't be used in the same sentence as "have good blasts" and "zooming around bends" but maybe it's just the way it's been worded.
Anything can be driven spiritedly but I'm presuming the aggressive M/T tyres and likely body/suspension lift that will be needed will almost make that borderline dangerous.
I know where you are coming from, but respectively disagree. I grew up with Land Rover's and own 3 at the moment, and have had a Jeep or so.Anything can be driven spiritedly but I'm presuming the aggressive M/T tyres and likely body/suspension lift that will be needed will almost make that borderline dangerous.
It does depend on the exact vehicle and setup, but mostly they can be driven quickly on the tarmac without issue.
A Defender for example would not need a lift at all. Just good tyres, and these will be fine on the road.
Things like a D3 or a Grand Cherokee are even better on the road, so running MT's on them would not stop you having fun.
This was my Jeep Cherokee. I entered it into a rally style event, mostly tarmac on and around an airfield. It was on AT's at the time. I was running about mid table stage times and faster than several of the MX-5's entered into the event.
I latter fitted it with bigger MT tyres and a 2" lift. And do you know what, it drove just as well at speed and on tarmac. It didn't appreciatively lean any more. And in the dry the MT just made a bit more noise and squirmed a bit more on the limit. It was driven just as hard lifted as when stock ride height.
And having owned multiple Land Rover's, mostly all on MT tyres, but having run road and AT's too. I can attest that by and large they can be thrown about the bends very very well. So much so, that you really can annoy and upset cars, which on paper should be a lot faster.
One occasion, many years ago I was in a V8 90 on AT's again, in the dry. Having a bit of a blast and upset a classic Audi Quattro. They ended up trying to chase me and ended up in a huge tank slapper spin on a round about before they decided to give in.
300bhp/ton said:
I know where you are coming from, but respectively disagree. I grew up with Land Rover's and own 3 at the moment, and have had a Jeep or so.
It does depend on the exact vehicle and setup, but mostly they can be driven quickly on the tarmac without issue.
A Defender for example would not need a lift at all. Just good tyres, and these will be fine on the road.
Things like a D3 or a Grand Cherokee are even better on the road, so running MT's on them would not stop you having fun.
This was my Jeep Cherokee. I entered it into a rally style event, mostly tarmac on and around an airfield. It was on AT's at the time. I was running about mid table stage times and faster than several of the MX-5's entered into the event.
I latter fitted it with bigger MT tyres and a 2" lift. And do you know what, it drove just as well at speed and on tarmac. It didn't appreciatively lean any more. And in the dry the MT just made a bit more noise and squirmed a bit more on the limit. It was driven just as hard lifted as when stock ride height.
And having owned multiple Land Rover's, mostly all on MT tyres, but having run road and AT's too. I can attest that by and large they can be thrown about the bends very very well. So much so, that you really can annoy and upset cars, which on paper should be a lot faster.
One occasion, many years ago I was in a V8 90 on AT's again, in the dry. Having a bit of a blast and upset a classic Audi Quattro. They ended up trying to chase me and ended up in a huge tank slapper spin on a round about before they decided to give in.
haha wow, I stand corrected. That does look like a lot of fun.It does depend on the exact vehicle and setup, but mostly they can be driven quickly on the tarmac without issue.
A Defender for example would not need a lift at all. Just good tyres, and these will be fine on the road.
Things like a D3 or a Grand Cherokee are even better on the road, so running MT's on them would not stop you having fun.
This was my Jeep Cherokee. I entered it into a rally style event, mostly tarmac on and around an airfield. It was on AT's at the time. I was running about mid table stage times and faster than several of the MX-5's entered into the event.
I latter fitted it with bigger MT tyres and a 2" lift. And do you know what, it drove just as well at speed and on tarmac. It didn't appreciatively lean any more. And in the dry the MT just made a bit more noise and squirmed a bit more on the limit. It was driven just as hard lifted as when stock ride height.
And having owned multiple Land Rover's, mostly all on MT tyres, but having run road and AT's too. I can attest that by and large they can be thrown about the bends very very well. So much so, that you really can annoy and upset cars, which on paper should be a lot faster.
One occasion, many years ago I was in a V8 90 on AT's again, in the dry. Having a bit of a blast and upset a classic Audi Quattro. They ended up trying to chase me and ended up in a huge tank slapper spin on a round about before they decided to give in.
I really like Jeep! It has good control on the road, good tires and I like that it has huge trunk with a lot of slots because I like sports so I need a lot of place for my inventory
Edited by hlopson on Monday 19th June 05:38
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