Surprisingly good off road for a 4 wheel drive Mini

Surprisingly good off road for a 4 wheel drive Mini

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Pig benis

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1,071 posts

186 months

Saturday 16th November 2013
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Hi folks

I had the chance to use a Mini Countryman 4x4 for a few days, which I must say was an excellent car. Incredibly comfortable on the motorway and a good steer on my favourite A/B roads.

Anyway, something cropped up and without access to any of our proper 4x4s I had no choice but in taking the Countryman. Before hand I watched a few videos on the 'tube and it looked fairly capable, if lacking enough ground clearance.

Well cue a very damp Sunday morning, the boot was loaded up with the days equipment and off we went. The tracks and fields were very muddy, however the Mini kept going and achieving fuel economy the Landy could only dream of. Yes we did get stuck once or twice on the shoot, but then so did my friends SJ.

The Mini was completely out of its comfort zone, but it did incredibly well and for that I salute you, Mr Countryman.

So, does anyone else have any stories like this?

PB


300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

195 months

Monday 18th November 2013
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It's amazing where a car will go. I've been Green Laning with a 1.0 Metro and taken an MG Maestro over a Land Rover trails section.

But I guess there is a difference between going off road and proper off roading. The latter generally requires far better suspension travel, ground clearance and approach/departure angles.

For example, doing something like this would not be possible in many soft roaders and even a few proper 4x4's would struggle as they'd become cross axled and likely try and rip the front and rear bumpers off.




But driving along a muddy fairly level track or field is quite a different thing.


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Glad the MINI served well and goes to show they aren't a bad vehicle at all. smile

bakerstreet

4,812 posts

170 months

Friday 6th December 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
But driving along a muddy fairly level track or field is quite a different thing.

EDITED to add:

Glad the MINI served well and goes to show they aren't a bad vehicle at all. smile
Agreed. Some people consider a muddy track to be off road and it serves a as reason for them to justify the purchase of a 4x4 biggrin

Anyways. I've always liked the look of the Countryman. so fair play for for the OP taking it off road. I'd be interested to see some photos smile

Konan

1,916 posts

151 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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I'm always amazed at where I see old Subarus. The Forester and Outback just being an Impreza and Legacy with a bit of lift, they're surprisingly capable for cars on road tyres(especially when you see things like XC70s floundering about).

agent006

12,058 posts

269 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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Two types of 4x4 requirement:

1: "I'm over here and I need to be over there, on the top of that hill; I'll take the easiest route to get there"
2: "I'm over here and I'd like to see how tricky a route I can take and how much I can get stuck and then end up back here; I will actively make life difficult for myself and my vehicle."

The vehicle requirements for each are very different.

PhillipM

6,529 posts

194 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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Nah, there's number 3 too:

3) I'm here, and I want to be over there on top of that hill, wonder how fast can I get there?

Konan

1,916 posts

151 months

Saturday 7th December 2013
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agent006 said:
Two types of 4x4 requirement:

1: "I'm over here and I need to be over there, on the top of that hill; I'll take the easiest route to get there"
2: "I'm over here and I'd like to see how tricky a route I can take and how much I can get stuck and then end up back here; I will actively make life difficult for myself and my vehicle."

The vehicle requirements for each are very different.
Or...

1: People that have a job to do
2: 4x4 response members

wink

PugwasHDJ80

7,555 posts

226 months

Friday 13th December 2013
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PhillipM said:
Nah, there's number 3 too:

3) I'm here, and I want to be over there on top of that hill, wonder how fast can I get there?
surely there's

4) I'm not sure where "here" is, I don't know where "there" might be. Ohh look a nice muddy bog to play in while I think about it.......

Derek Chevalier

4,014 posts

178 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
For example, doing something like this would not be possible in many soft roaders and even a few proper 4x4's would struggle as they'd become cross axled.
Haven't they all got traction control these days?

agent006

12,058 posts

269 months

Tuesday 17th December 2013
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Oh god, get ready for a traction control vs articulation vs diff locks outburst.

300bhp/ton

41,030 posts

195 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Derek Chevalier said:
Haven't they all got traction control these days?
I think many do, but I'm not sure how many are biased for off road use. The systems, as far as I understand work differently. On a road car TCS is there to reduce slip and will normally kill the throttle. But on a 4x4 off road TCS is there to promote traction by inducing wheel slip and loading on a spinning wheel.

e.g. on a RWD car in the wet on tarmac, if you spin the inside wheel. TCS will brake the wheel and usually reduce the throttle input to try and stop the wheel spinning. (e-diffs work a bit differently).

On something like a Disco3 for instance, when one wheel spins the system will still brake the wheel, but it isn't trying to stop it spinning and it won't reduce the throttle. The reason being is you actually need to keep the power on, by braking the wheel while it's spinning, this in turn causes load and will make the wheel on the opposite end of the axle rotate. This in many ways simulates a mechanical diff lock off road.

Derek Chevalier

4,014 posts

178 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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300bhp/ton said:
Derek Chevalier said:
Haven't they all got traction control these days?
I think many do, but I'm not sure how many are biased for off road use. The systems, as far as I understand work differently. On a road car TCS is there to reduce slip and will normally kill the throttle. But on a 4x4 off road TCS is there to promote traction by inducing wheel slip and loading on a spinning wheel.

e.g. on a RWD car in the wet on tarmac, if you spin the inside wheel. TCS will brake the wheel and usually reduce the throttle input to try and stop the wheel spinning. (e-diffs work a bit differently).

On something like a Disco3 for instance, when one wheel spins the system will still brake the wheel, but it isn't trying to stop it spinning and it won't reduce the throttle. The reason being is you actually need to keep the power on, by braking the wheel while it's spinning, this in turn causes load and will make the wheel on the opposite end of the axle rotate. This in many ways simulates a mechanical diff lock off road.
Fair point, but I recall even on the Discos you have to turn off DSC to allow some wheelspin.

Traction control on our Disco 4 is very impressive - on a cross axle it effectively stops the wheels that are off the ground from turning at all (when in rock crawl mode).

Konan

1,916 posts

151 months

Wednesday 18th December 2013
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Again, honourable mention for the Subaru soft road 4x4. They do a really good job of getting power down even with two corners hanging in the air. If you observe them from outside, you can really tell them apart from systems on cars like the x trail or xc70.