Hill climbing... and stalling!

[Ayahuasca]

Right, all the vids I have seen and the LR experience course I did, state that if you stall going up a hill the thing to do is whip it into reverse, go down the hill backwards under engine braking, at the bottom select a lower gear and try again with more welly.

But what do you do if the hill is soooooo long and high, or has difficult bends, etc that reversing all the way down is impractical? Try and hold it on the brakes and do a conventional 'hill start'?

??

Cheers

[normalbloke]

There's a different technique for a failed hill climb due to lack of traction and for a fail due to lack of power (stall)
Your description of whipping it into reverse is an abbreviated version of the solution for a fail due to lack of traction, not for a stall.
The solution to your actual question, would probably involve better forward planning, anticipation, and not painting yourself into a corner.
Maybe!

[Ayahuasca]

True, but that's like the Irishman replying, when asked for directions to Cork, "Well, I wouldn't be starting from here..."

[5paul5]

Ayahuasca said:

Right, all the vids I have seen and the LR experience course I did, state that if you stall going up a hill the thing to do is whip it into reverse, go down the hill backwards under engine braking, at the bottom select a lower gear and try again with more welly.

But what do you do if the hill is soooooo long and high, or has difficult bends, etc that reversing all the way down is impractical? Try and hold it on the brakes and do a conventional 'hill start'?

??

Cheers

If you think you cant safely reverse down a hill under a failed attempt common sense says dont attempt it !

[Ayahuasca]

I am not talking about a pay-and-play or greenlane wotsit but a trip where you HAVE to make it, but the trail is super steep and twisty and you can't see all the way to the top from the bottom.

[camel_landy]

OK... You don't have to reverse to the "Bottom" for another go, you reverse off to a point where you think you'll be able to give it another go. If that point happens to be the bottom, so be it.

As for selecting a lower gear... You want to select the 'Appropriate' gear as you might have actually selected the correct gear, in the first place but just not carried enough momentum through.

M

[RonnieH]

And, if you can't see the top from the bottom, common sense would suggest that walking it first would make sense, that way you might be aware of any hazards or sticky bits.........!

[Ayahuasca]

Cheers - tell you what, learning to drive offroad is like going back to square one all over again, specially in a basic car like a manual Defender.

[anonymous-user]

normalbloke said:

There's a different technique for a failed hill climb due to lack of traction and for a fail due to lack of power (stall)
Your description of whipping it into reverse is an abbreviated version of the solution for a fail due to lack of traction, not for a stall.

Not hugely different though....just less of the "whipping" it in to reverse, more a case of put it in reverse and start it in gear...going backwards....down a hill. Easy really.

[Fazt]

just do a hill start as suggested. if this isn't possible then a roll back to a more convenient position is required.

if this isn't possible then maybe a look in to some better tires or even a winch?

I don't like the gung-ho approach, but sometimes a little bit of pace maybe required. espectially if you say you are stalling, that would suggest you have grip and have run out of pace.

[camel_landy]

Fazt said:

I don't like the gung-ho approach, but sometimes a little bit of pace maybe required. espectially if you say you are stalling, that would suggest you have grip and have run out of pace.

I wouldn't call it 'gung-ho' but there is a definite relationship between Traction v Momentum. If you don't have one, you're going to need plenty of the other!!

M

[camel_landy]

Ayahuasca said:

Cheers - tell you what, learning to drive offroad is like going back to square one all over again, specially in a basic car like a manual Defender.

It's great, isn't it...

M

[anonymous-user]

Fazt said:

just do a hill start as suggested. if this isn't possible then a roll back to a more convenient position is required.

"Roll back"?
Never, ever let Isaac Newton drive.

[Caulkhead]

Yeah, reversing back down a long and curved trail can be tricky:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GeYmDOzoibk

[normalbloke]

Crossflow Kid said:

Fazt said:

just do a hill start as suggested. if this isn't possible then a roll back to a more convenient position is required.

"Roll back"?
Never, ever let Isaac Newton drive.

Especially not on 'tires'.....

[welshjohn]

On a stall on a hill I was taught to

Put foot on brake
Depress the clutch
Put into reverse
Let both pedals out at the same time
Reverse down hill and try again

[RonnieH]

welshjohn said:

On a stall on a hill I was taught to

Put foot on brake
Depress the clutch
Put into reverse
Let both pedals out at the same time
Reverse down hill and try again

At what point do you start the engine??

[rhinochopig]

Thought you had a new Landy - don't they have anti-stall on the latest models?

[camel_landy]

rhinochopig said:

Thought you had a new Landy - don't they have anti-stall on the latest models?

Doesn't mean that you CAN'T stall it!!!

M

[rhinochopig]

camel_landy said:

rhinochopig said:

Thought you had a new Landy - don't they have anti-stall on the latest models?

Doesn't mean that you CAN'T stall it!!!

M

Obviously, but it is a very very good system from what I understand. Chap I know did the landy experience when he bought his 12 plate 110. He was amazed how hard it was to get the thing to stall on their off-road track.