Why don't singles sell in their millions any more?

Why don't singles sell in their millions any more?

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Cock Womble 7

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29,908 posts

236 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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I've spent much of today dipping in and out of Ken "Broadsword Calling Danny Boy" Bruce and Tony "Poptastic" Blackburn running down the top 100 million-selling singles on Radio 2.

And I don't think I heard a song that was less than 10 years old.

So why don't songs these days sell in the volumes they used to?

Is it to do with the fact that the songs featured on the list were (then) only available as a physical purchase (7" vinyl or CD single) rather than a downloaded series of 1's and 0's?

Or is it more to do with the disposable nature of "pop" these days?

mybrainhurts

90,809 posts

261 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Because most modern stuff is pure crap...

Probably...

Plotloss

67,280 posts

276 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Lots more competition for the child's £ today.

rudecherub

1,997 posts

172 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Plotloss said:
Lots more competition for the child's £ today.
Mainly this.

And equally you could ask why don't men don furry jackets and sale to the Arctic to cut ice and pack to sell in London town any more.

Technology has moved on

ludicrous speed

959 posts

200 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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mpfrees

Shaw Tarse

31,638 posts

209 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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CW You took the words right out of my mouth, I was pondering the same thing earlier.
Also getting a platinum single/album, isn't it easier these days?

spud989

2,794 posts

186 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Because in the last 10 years singles have replaced posters and adverts - they're now effectively free promotional materials for lucrative 360 deals, touring and merchandising opportunities (and to a minor extent their parent albums). Every man and has dog downloads music for free. The only money to be made now is through secondary channels, licensing, etc.

Cock Womble 7

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29,908 posts

236 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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What I don't get is that in "the olden days", you had to go to Our Price or WH Smiths and actually buy the single.

These days, a click of the mouse and your latest favourite tune is yours, without even having to leave the house.

So, buying music has become easier and more convenient and yet sales are down.

shirt

23,254 posts

207 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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I think its to do with singles getting endless airplay prior to release, so sales come in a glut and overexposed.

I was surprised that brian adams was outsold by newer records given the time he held the no1 spot.

jamoor

14,506 posts

221 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Downloads?

TheEnd

15,370 posts

194 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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I don't think there is the same variety of music anymore.
There were stages last year (maybe this year too, maybe even right now) where people like Cheryl Cole had 3 separate singles in the top 20.

May be the variety is far higher, and individual tracks don't get anywhere near enough sales as it's spread out over different singles.

One thing i have noticed, is whatever Radio 1 decides is good will sell well, even though a lot of their stuff is pretty mediocre.
It could be the listeners don't actually hear enough music these days to decide what is good, they just get told.

Ferg

15,242 posts

263 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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It's because music is so easy to copy for free.
The upshot is that it's not difficult, if you put some work in, to have a Chart Single.
I was involved in three chart singles for a band a couple of years ago and we didn't have to sell an enormous amount even to hit Number 16.

Timberwolf

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224 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Most youngsters with a bit of nous I'd expect to use Spotify or similar. Back in my day it was all Napster, so I can't see any reason why teenagers would go back to paying for music in their droves.

Re digital downloads, by the time they've got a debit card that's usable online they've probably also discovered beer and girls, hence more likely to fall back on something free like Spotify and its ilk than spend money better spent elsewhere.

Also, even once you get to the point where the pound is spent on music... have you seen the price of albums now? Around the early to mid '90s a decent new album was £12.99 on tape or £16.99 on CD... now you're looking at £8.95 for a new release, dropping to £5-£6 within a few weeks - which for most kids brings it down into discretionary purchase territory rather than something that needs to be saved up for.

(At 13 I was making between £5 and £7 per week on a paper round; I'd assume inflation has driven that up a bit since then.)

Shaw Tarse

31,638 posts

209 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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When I was young I "knew" people who would copy music, using a cassette tape!

Timberwolf

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224 months

Monday 30th August 2010
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Shaw Tarse said:
When I was young I "knew" people who would copy music, using a cassette tape!

anonymous-user

60 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Timberwolf said:
Shaw Tarse said:
When I was young I "knew" people who would copy music, using a cassette tape!
this has always annouyed me. i got into so many bands through copying friends tapes, i then went to see the band live which generates far more cash for the band than record sales per ticket/record bought. i bought the t-shirt and probably went to see them again and again when they next toured. all off the back of one or two songs copied from a friend.

home taping doesnt kill music, it just restricts the profits the record comapny make.

Hugo a Gogo

23,379 posts

239 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Hub

6,522 posts

204 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Cock Womble 7 said:
So, buying music has become easier and more convenient and yet sales are down.
That's not strictly true in one sense - total single sales are actually well up on a few years ago before MP3 sales really kicked in (and were allowed to contribute towards sales figures).

I think a contributing factor, however, could be the amount of music out there. Loads of new stuff comes out every week and so shelf life could be lower and sales split between more tracks.

Edited by Hub on Tuesday 31st August 12:48

JustinP1

13,330 posts

236 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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I studied this at Uni 10-12 years ago, and even from then a lot has changed.

12 years ago single sales were down because people preferred to buy albums at £11 rather than a single at £3.99.

11 - 10 years ago the wholesale price of singles was slashed in order to get a high chart placing and publicity to sell the album. You also had Single A and B for the same song at £1.99 each etc for the same reason.

Then downloads came along.

Slowly a whole generation of young people didn't visit the record shop on a Saturday, but sat at home and spent a few minutes downloading it illegally. On of my mates on the same course as me worked for a major record label who did focus groups with kind sot find out what they would pay for a single or album. There answer was nothing. None had ever paid for music.

So what has happened to music now? There is not more out there, there is actually less. 10-20 years ago, a record label might sign 20 new artists a year spend £100k to £500k on each and release singles from 10 and albums from 4 or 5.

Now, instead of signing 20 artists and developing them, they will sign 5 and put their eggs in a smaller basket and pan them all through the media. I said 7-8 years ago that although people love downloads the way it started will kill the industry. You'll be able to get music more conveniently but you'll have less choice and less good new artists.

obscene

5,175 posts

191 months

Tuesday 31st August 2010
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Simple fact is, no one writes decent music anymore. If they did, it'd sell.