Classical piano, but like Muse

Classical piano, but like Muse

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evenflow

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8,796 posts

288 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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I am looking for some music recommendations.
The Muse track "United States of Eurasia" has a classical-ish piano piece at the end (from about 3m45 onwards). Are there any classical composers who write similar, as I think it is bootiful.

Sim89

1,586 posts

213 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Hi, the piece you are referring to in the Muse song is Chopin's Nocturne 2 Opus 9 in E flat. So really you should be checking out all of Chopin's work wink (Nocturnes, Etudes, Preludes and Piano Sonatas).

Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.

Contemporary composers I would recommend myself, Eluvium, Dustin O'Halloran, Philip Glass (Solo Piano), Ludovico Einaudi etc.

Hope this helps somewhat. smile

evenflow

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8,796 posts

288 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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Wow, thanks for those. Goes to show what a complete heathen I am - I thought it was an original Muse composition!

Sim89

1,586 posts

213 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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evenflow said:
Wow, thanks for those. Goes to show what a complete heathen I am - I thought it was an original Muse composition!
Not a heathen at all, no one can expect to know every piece of music.

kiteless

11,915 posts

210 months

Thursday 19th November 2009
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What Sim said.

I, personally, have a big soft spot for Chopin's Nocturne No.1 played by Maria Joao Pires, and his Berceause played by Murray Peraiha.

Satie's Gymnopedies are a good first base.

And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5

Couple of others to try: Mozart Piano Concerto No.21 and Grieg's Piano Concerto in Am. Oh and Beethoven Piano Concerto No.5.

TheMighty

584 posts

217 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.

Sim89

1,586 posts

213 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.
Well, yeah. I was referring to The Well-Tempered Clavier.

ShadownINja

77,406 posts

288 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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Sim89 said:
TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.
Well, yeah. I was referring to The Well-Tempered Clavier.
Ah, maybe this in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE

Sim89

1,586 posts

213 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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ShadownINja said:
Sim89 said:
TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.
Well, yeah. I was referring to The Well-Tempered Clavier.
Ah, maybe this in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE
Yeah, that is one. But in general BWV 846-893.

GetCarter

29,581 posts

285 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )

timbob

2,147 posts

258 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )
Is that one of your compositions GetCarter?

TheMighty

584 posts

217 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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Sim89 said:
ShadownINja said:
Sim89 said:
TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.
Well, yeah. I was referring to The Well-Tempered Clavier.
Ah, maybe this in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE
Yeah, that is one. But in general BWV 846-893.
Bach wrote very little to no material for the piano.

"The 48" were definitely without argument written for clavichord and harpsichord. The only debate occurs when we get down to the first 24 being for clavichord and the second for harpsichord which is a supposition made my musicologists based upon stylistic analysis. Bach did come across a piano or two in his time and there is evidence of him improvising on fortepiano too. But his keyboard works without doubt are almost all written for clavichord/harpsichord/organ.

"Das Wohltemperierte Klavier" translates as "The well-tempered keyboard" from the german and refers to the tuning of the instrument. "Well-tempered" is often thought to mean the modern "equal tempered" scale but this is somewhat different to Bachs well-tempered scale which would likely of produced purer 3rds by having narrow fifths for the diatonic/natural notes whilst the chromatic/sharps and flats would have wider fifths and not so perfect 3rds.

Edited by TheMighty on Sunday 22 November 13:27

leeeeshad

1,479 posts

193 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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what about the piano in new born, is that muse or someone else?

ShadownINja

77,406 posts

288 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly.
A quick youtube and I think I see what you mean. They seem to be the sort of pieces that accompany you as you slit your wrist in a run-down house in an inner city suburb. I'd definitely play some Glass if I was going to commit suicide. silly

GetCarter

29,581 posts

285 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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timbob said:
GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )
Is that one of your compositions GetCarter?
Fraid so, from the last album (String section of the Prague Symphony Orchestra)

Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 22 November 19:14

Sim89

1,586 posts

213 months

Sunday 22nd November 2009
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TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
ShadownINja said:
Sim89 said:
TheMighty said:
Sim89 said:
Other classical works you may like, Claude Debussy, Erik Satie, Maurice Ravel, Alexander Scriabin, maybe some of Bach's piano work if you don't really like organ pieces. The list is endless really.
Bach... Piano works...

If you say so.
Well, yeah. I was referring to The Well-Tempered Clavier.
Ah, maybe this in particular:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0KQW2YnCUrE
Yeah, that is one. But in general BWV 846-893.
Bach wrote very little to no material for the piano.

"The 48" were definitely without argument written for clavichord and harpsichord. The only debate occurs when we get down to the first 24 being for clavichord and the second for harpsichord which is a supposition made my musicologists based upon stylistic analysis. Bach did come across a piano or two in his time and there is evidence of him improvising on fortepiano too. But his keyboard works without doubt are almost all written for clavichord/harpsichord/organ.

"Das Wohltemperierte Klavier" translates as "The well-tempered keyboard" from the german and refers to the tuning of the instrument. "Well-tempered" is often thought to mean the modern "equal tempered" scale but this is somewhat different to Bachs well-tempered scale which would likely of produced purer 3rds by having narrow fifths for the diatonic/natural notes whilst the chromatic/sharps and flats would have wider fifths and not so perfect 3rds.

Edited by TheMighty on Sunday 22 November 13:27
Thanks very much for that, very educational. Hope you don't think im too much of a philistine smile. I obviously don't know too much about Bach's work, however his preludes in C Major, C Minor and D major are some of the first things I learnt on piano so I thought the OP might find these pieces worth a listen.

Music degree?


timbob

2,147 posts

258 months

Monday 23rd November 2009
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GetCarter said:
timbob said:
GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )
Is that one of your compositions GetCarter?
Fraid so, from the last album (String section of the Prague Symphony Orchestra)

Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 22 November 19:14
I don't suppose there's any chance of a sneaky peek at the score? I REALLY like some of the harmonies in the middle (the ones with the close tone intervals etc), and fancy seeing how you've voiced them.

Never written for strings, you see!

GetCarter

29,581 posts

285 months

Monday 23rd November 2009
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timbob said:
GetCarter said:
timbob said:
GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )
Is that one of your compositions GetCarter?
Fraid so, from the last album (String section of the Prague Symphony Orchestra)

Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 22 November 19:14
I don't suppose there's any chance of a sneaky peek at the score? I REALLY like some of the harmonies in the middle (the ones with the close tone intervals etc), and fancy seeing how you've voiced them.

Never written for strings, you see!
here ya go... PDF of score http://www.stevecarter.com/fortitude.pdf

timbob

2,147 posts

258 months

Monday 23rd November 2009
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GetCarter said:
timbob said:
GetCarter said:
timbob said:
GetCarter said:
kiteless said:
And for minimalist goodness, try Glass's Metamorphosis No.5
Very slightly O/T but I often get asked to write music in the style of Glass (I'm writing a minimalist album at the moment), but I HATE his harmonies, so fugly. Can't play you any, not recorded yet. Luckily, the last two albums I wrote they wanted in the style of Thomas Newman. Now THERE is a man that understands harmony!

( short clip here for those interested: http://www.stevecarter.com/trackofmonth.mp3 )
Is that one of your compositions GetCarter?
Fraid so, from the last album (String section of the Prague Symphony Orchestra)

Edited by GetCarter on Sunday 22 November 19:14
I don't suppose there's any chance of a sneaky peek at the score? I REALLY like some of the harmonies in the middle (the ones with the close tone intervals etc), and fancy seeing how you've voiced them.

Never written for strings, you see!
here ya go... PDF of score http://www.stevecarter.com/fortitude.pdf
Thanks - I'll have a look through. After I've rewritten the viola parts in a clef that my brain can make sense of at sight!