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Malam said:
Burn Him!!!! 
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Edited by SkinnyBoy on Sunday 4th October 04:16
SkinnyBoy said:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Most Genesis material since Gabriel left (Trick of the tail and Wind and Wuthering excepted) have shown a dumbing down, commercially successesful I admit but 'lite' on content. this is just my opinion Edited by SkinnyBoy on Sunday 4th October 04:16
SkinnyBoy said:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Whilst Phil Collins without doubt has merits - fantastic drummer, great pop artist & songwriter (Sussudio, Easy Lover, etc.) - and Invisible Top Shed has its moments, but I think I can say with relative confidence that it is Genesis' worst album by a long chalk.Edited by SkinnyBoy on Sunday 4th October 04:16
SkinnyBoy said:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Hijacking a thread here!Edited by SkinnyBoy on Sunday 4th October 04:16
Chalk and cheese. If you like pop songs then later Genesis is fine. I like Duke, as I feel it's the last album before the Collins bandwagon took over, and the last tour I went to.
Don't get me wrong though I rate Phil Collins, as having been part of the incredibly inteligent band which Genesis once were. His drumming, and writing added to their stature. I learnt to drum to early Genesis, amongst others.
Early Genesis were one of the greatest, most inventive rock bands ever. Post Duke Genesis may as well have been called something else, as the change in style was incredible.
Gaspode said:
Markh said:
Most Genesis material since Gabriel left (Trick of the tail and Wind and Wuthering excepted) have shown a dumbing down, commercially successesful I admit but 'lite' on content. this is just my opinion
No it's not. it's mine too...(I don't include Calling All Stations in this; it was recorded after PC left and is a return to their earlier quality IMHO.)
Having said that it does happen to a lot of bands when they cease to be a cult and find a larger audience. Look at Supertramp up to Crime Of The Century. Brilliant. Afterwards, forget it. Barclay James Harvest, Moodies, even Yes came up with some dire rubbish in their later years.
(Seems to afflict those in the Prog area more than others.)
Evangelion said:
Gaspode said:
Markh said:
Most Genesis material since Gabriel left (Trick of the tail and Wind and Wuthering excepted) have shown a dumbing down, commercially successesful I admit but 'lite' on content. this is just my opinion
No it's not. it's mine too...(I don't include Calling All Stations in this; it was recorded after PC left and is a return to their earlier quality IMHO.)
Having said that it does happen to a lot of bands when they cease to be a cult and find a larger audience. Look at Supertramp up to Crime Of The Century. Brilliant. Afterwards, forget it. Barclay James Harvest, Moodies, even Yes came up with some dire rubbish in their later years.
(Seems to afflict those in the Prog area more than others.)
Prog is coming back, so there's hope for us all yet.
SkinnyBoy said:
Do you like Phil Collins? I've been a big Genesis fan ever since the release of their 1980 album, Duke. Before that, I really didn't understand any of their work. Too artsy, too intellectual. It was on Duke where Phil Collins' presence became more apparent. I think Invisible Touch was the group's undisputed masterpiece. It's an epic meditation on intangibility. At the same time, it deepens and enriches the meaning of the preceding three albums. Listen to the brilliant ensemble playing of Banks, Collins and Rutherford. You can practically hear every nuance of every instrument. In terms of lyrical craftsmanship, the sheer songwriting, this album hits a new peak of professionalism. Take the lyrics to Land of Confusion. In this song, Phil Collins addresses the problems of abusive political authority. In Too Deep is the most moving pop song of the 1980s, about monogamy and commitment. The song is extremely uplifting. Their lyrics are as positive and affirmative as anything I've heard in rock. Phil Collins' solo career seems to be more commercial and therefore more satisfying, in a narrower way. Especially songs like In the Air Tonight and Against All Odds. But I also think Phil Collins works best within the confines of the group, than as a solo artist, and I stress the word artist. This is Sussudio, a great, great song, a personal favorite.
Fantastic bit of trolling. 
Genesis after Peter Gabriel were far more of a commercial success, but there is no doubt that their best stuff was when he was part of the group.
Edited by JonRB on Monday 5th October 11:11
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