What Exam Grade Are Most Drummers On In The Music Business?

What Exam Grade Are Most Drummers On In The Music Business?

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daveco

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4,201 posts

213 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Would the average be around the grade 4 mark? The likes of Bonzo, Buddy Rich, even Ringo; anyone know?

Steve McQueen

348 posts

215 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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most of them will never have taken an exam, thats why those you listed all sound unique.

daveco

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4,201 posts

213 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Steve McQueen said:
most of them will never have taken an exam, thats why those you listed all sound unique.
These drummers aside; if most drummers were to be graded from bands currently on the radio what would the average grade be?

garycat

4,564 posts

216 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Q. What did the drummer get on his drumming exam?

A. Drool.

Steve McQueen

348 posts

215 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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I would say that as professional session guys they'll be about as high as it goes. My nephew is a 4, he is "in awe" of my skills and im crap compared to them.

agent006

12,058 posts

270 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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They are still playing as adults, therefore they obviously haven't had their enthusiasm destroyed as a teenager by taking grade exams.

Twit

2,908 posts

270 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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bks to exams! Its all about feel and groove!

I reckon I'd fail grade 1, but I know I can hold a rhythm and put the odd fill here and there. Exams simply destroy any passion for music.

I reckon most pro's have never taken an exam at all!

Z06George

2,519 posts

195 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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I'm going for grade 8 and I'm no where near as good as any of the pro-drummers around except mabye lars ulrichsmile

Blue160

272 posts

209 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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agent006 said:
They are still playing as adults, therefore they obviously haven't had their enthusiasm destroyed as a teenager by taking grade exams.
Exams don't have to be a bad thing

I did a few when I was learning (trombone) and I play professionally now.

Most of my pupils also do exams. Some don't, if I don't think it's appropriate for them, but I try to get all of them to do at least one. If they hate it, I won't make them do another, but most get a sense of achievement at having a certificate from an internationally recognised exam board telling them how good they are. smile

It's bad teaching, and unsupportive parents that destroy enthusiasm.

Edited by Blue160 on Wednesday 3rd December 21:18

agent006

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270 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Blue160 said:
It's bad teaching, and unsupportive parents that destroy enthusiasm.
Also the other end of the parenting scale doesn't help.

Blue160

272 posts

209 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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agent006 said:
Blue160 said:
It's bad teaching, and unsupportive parents that destroy enthusiasm.
Also the other end of the parenting scale doesn't help.
yes

Blue160

272 posts

209 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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Twit said:
bks to exams! Its all about feel and groove!

I reckon I'd fail grade 1, but I know I can hold a rhythm and put the odd fill here and there. Exams simply destroy any passion for music.

I reckon most pro's have never taken an exam at all!
I think it depends on the type of drummer

Drummers who work with the same pop or rock group all the time just need to be able to play. Feel and groove, and knowing the songs is all they need.

These guys have maybe not taken any exams. In some cases they may not have had any formal teaching, but a lot of them are fantastic musicians.

Guys who do session work, or play with lots of different groups need to be able to read, and in most situations sight read.

Most of the jazz gigs I do (not on drums) involve just a half hour sound check, then the the gig. If there's stuff you don't know you have to sight read it in the show eek

To do this well you need to have been well taught, which probarbly means going through exams, and sometimes music college.

Twit

2,908 posts

270 months

Wednesday 3rd December 2008
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I can see that.

I suppose I am kind of lucky in that I play drums now and am pretty much self taught, although I did have some lessons to get the rudiments etc. But as a kid I played Cello, so I can read music and have a reasonable feel for sound, that sounds naff but I guess people will know what I mean.

For rock music that I play, feel and timing is more important that perfect technique; plus we only play our own songs so we know how they are meant to sound (e.g even if we cock them up we are right! wink ). I would love to play the cello again, that would be cool!

dpbird90

5,535 posts

196 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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No proffessional drummers took exams, nothing is better for you than just sitting down and playing, that's the best way to learn.

Drummers like Nick Mason, John Bonham and of course, the best drummer of all time, Keith Moon, would probably be grade 1 million, at least.

ratbane

1,384 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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Exams - what are they? I started playing drums in 1980 so I DIDN'T have to take exams!, oh and for the groupies.

Develop your own style.

chevy-stu

5,392 posts

234 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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Z06George said:
I'm going for grade 8 and I'm no where near as good as any of the pro-drummers around except mabye lars ulrichsmile
laugh



daveco

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4,201 posts

213 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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I think if you want to develop your skills and technique quickly then grades are the way to go. Your own 'sound' comes after this.

ratbane

1,384 posts

222 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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I did it the other way round. Get the feel first, then find out why you can't fathom some of the techniques needed to get your ideas onto the drum kit. Nothing wrong with being taught early on, but it's not my personal recommendation.

Blue160

272 posts

209 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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dpbird90 said:
No proffessional drummers took exams
Sorry thats just not true!

I work with lots of drummers who have been formally taught and many who went through music college.

GetCarter

29,558 posts

285 months

Thursday 4th December 2008
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/\ what he said. Many of the drummers I work with are ex RCM.

However, the best drummer isn't.

Some people are just naturally brilliant... bast@rds

Edited by GetCarter on Thursday 4th December 15:50