The silent song...

The silent song...

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steven182

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1,886 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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4'33" by John Cage

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hUJagb7hL0E



utterly ridiculous...

The Ben

1,623 posts

223 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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I hope no one was paid for this!!!

steven182

Original Poster:

1,886 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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oh and listen to how long they applause the guy for his "performance" used to respect classical music quite a bit...

robinhood21

30,827 posts

238 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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The acoustics didn't do it any justice, me thinks!

ETA: Much prefer this version of The Sound of Silence

Edited by robinhood21 on Tuesday 2nd September 00:16

Bee_Jay

2,599 posts

254 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Worse, is that Mike Batt (of Wombles fame) got sued and settled for a 6-figure sum with the estate of John Cage for the track "A Minute's Silence" which featured on one of his albums. Utter up your own arse lunacy

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/music/227...


Edited by Bee_Jay on Tuesday 2nd September 00:21

Ganglandboss

8,349 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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I prefer the extended album mix.

ATTAK Z

12,394 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Ganglandboss said:
I prefer the extended album mix.
pardon

Malx

871 posts

210 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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That just cries out for a dropped symbol

steven182

Original Poster:

1,886 posts

207 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Malx said:
That just cries out for a dropped symbol
I was waiting for a fart

RobJShe

17,911 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Ganglandboss said:
I prefer the extended album mix.
Is that the one re-mixed by Pete Tong?

Sciroccology

29,908 posts

236 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Wikipedia said:
4′33″ (Four minutes, thirty-three seconds) is a three-movement composition by American avant-garde composer John Cage (1912–1992). It was composed in 1952 for any instrument (or combination of instruments), and the score instructs the performer not to play the instrument during the entire duration of the piece. Although commonly perceived as "four minutes thirty-three seconds of silence", the piece actually consists of the sounds of the environment that the listeners hear while it is performed. Over the years, 4′33″ became Cage's most famous and most controversial composition.

Conceived in 1948, while Cage was working on Sonatas and Interludes, 4′33″ was for Cage the epitome of aleatoric music and of his idea that any sounds constitute, or may constitute, music. It was also a reflection of the influence of Zen Buddhism[citation needed], which Cage studied since the late 1940s. In a 1982 interview, and on numerous other occasions, Cage has stated that 4′33″ is, in his opinion, his most important work.
Oh, and the word you're looking for is "cymbal".

Edited by Sciroccology on Tuesday 2nd September 00:31

RDMcG

19,418 posts

213 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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The rap version is the one to have....

ATTAK Z

12,394 posts

195 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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RDMcG said:
The rap version is the one to have....
don't you mean the crap version?

Heskey

4,048 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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What a bunch of bks?

How is this an art? How do people stand for this crap? How did a bunch of people sat with instruments doing sweet FA become to be considered anything more than the crazy ramblings of a has-been musician?

Honestly. Knife crime and terrorism aren't the only things seriously wrong with today's society. rolleyes

Ganglandboss

8,349 posts

209 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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If they'd really wanted to take the piss, they could've had a couple of minutes tuning up beforehand!

Heskey

4,048 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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I mean okay, it's asaurus enough without the added patronisation and general arsehattery of page-turning and fore-brow wiping.

Know what would have been good to break that silence? Machine gun fire; right across the stage... Then the audience for being 'passionate about art' rolleyes

NiceCupOfTea

25,305 posts

257 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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People said the same thing about Picasso's work. There was a riot at the first performance of the Rite of Spring. History is full of people being outraged at other people's perception of art/music.

Heskey said:
I mean okay, it's asaurus enough without the added patronisation and general arsehattery of page-turning and fore-brow wiping.

Know what would have been good to break that silence? Machine gun fire; right across the stage... Then the audience for being 'passionate about art' rolleyes
That's part of its theatrical nature. Your perception of art clearly differs from that of the audience - does that make you wrong or them wrong?

Edited by NiceCupOfTea on Tuesday 2nd September 01:25

Heskey

4,048 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Yes.

This is NOT art? What is there to appreciate or enjoy? Silence? You can appreciate silence by climbing a mountain or sitting on the moors; you don't need some pretentious prick giving it a title and claiming 4 and a half minutes of silence as 'his' work; let alone call it a song, or even allow it to reach the stage where this absence of sound is achieved by having an orchestra do nothing.

What absolute bks; where's that machine gun?

Flintstone

8,644 posts

253 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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Ganglandboss said:
If they'd really wanted to take the piss, they could've had a couple of minutes tuning up beforehand!
Now that made me smile biggrin

claypigeon60

753 posts

224 months

Tuesday 2nd September 2008
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It's easy to see how this would be slated; but I think you could argue that something is art if it serves no function other than to make you perceive the world differently - or at least notice it.

Showing 4'33" on TV is a bit of a mistake I think, because it's such a visual medium. I just played that vid but kept my eyes shut and listened, which is the point of the piece. How often do you stop and really listen to the little ambient noises around you? This morning it's tipping it down outside and I'm not looking forward to driving to work; but the noise of the rain on Velux windows is actually quite pretty and interesting.

I also think there's something a bit eerie, but also a bit comforting, about that many people sitting there in absolute silence, everyone understanding and playing the game.

</arsehattery> wink