Mureka: Ai Generated music
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Subscribed to this for the sole purpose of generating background tracks for video (part of my work) and being able to 'direct' the track has been hugely beneficial. Getting some really good music that fits far better than stock library stuff.
Anyway, started having a play with the lyric/song generation function. My word it's good! I've never written a song in my life but have penned two in the last half hour. Don't get me wrong - they're crap... but good crap.
But I still think this is one of those things in which you need to be an expert to get the best from so a musician or songwriter will always get a better result than I could muster.
Cracking fun though.
Anyone else using it?
Anyway, started having a play with the lyric/song generation function. My word it's good! I've never written a song in my life but have penned two in the last half hour. Don't get me wrong - they're crap... but good crap.
But I still think this is one of those things in which you need to be an expert to get the best from so a musician or songwriter will always get a better result than I could muster.
Cracking fun though.
Anyone else using it?
I've tried various (not sure if Mureka or not). Nothing wrong with it. Pop cheese works the best. It's all a bit naff but as bg music to videos or whatever, it's fine. It struggled with ambient - it was desperate to put some kind of harmony on everything.
Just a side note: if you're planning on making money from the content you're creating, you may not have full rights which means any monetised activity may result in them taking the fees, not you. Read the licence carefully.
Just a side note: if you're planning on making money from the content you're creating, you may not have full rights which means any monetised activity may result in them taking the fees, not you. Read the licence carefully.
Hoofy said:
Just a side note: if you're planning on making money from the content you're creating, you may not have full rights which means any monetised activity may result in them taking the fees, not you. Read the licence carefully.
Yeah, that's a good point and something I looked at. The films I make are public information films for public sector, not all of which are for public viewing, so the only money I get is the fees from the client. Interesting point though. Who owns the copyright to Ai generated songs?...... If I write the lyrics and sing a melody that it then recreates?
StevieBee said:
Hoofy said:
Just a side note: if you're planning on making money from the content you're creating, you may not have full rights which means any monetised activity may result in them taking the fees, not you. Read the licence carefully.
Yeah, that's a good point and something I looked at. The films I make are public information films for public sector, not all of which are for public viewing, so the only money I get is the fees from the client. Interesting point though. Who owns the copyright to Ai generated songs?...... If I write the lyrics and sing a melody that it then recreates?
Terminator X said:
Won't this be a killer blow for the music industry either now or when it has arithmetically got better. Doesn't sound great if you'll excuse the pun.
TX.
Was thinking this same thing.TX.
At the moment, I'd say it's a useful tool. As with photo and video, you need to have a decent grasp of the basics and a level of creative flair in order to write the prompts to generate something that's half way decent. A competent musician or songwriter will end up with something far better than someone who isn't.
Long-term; who knows?
Terminator X said:
Won't this be a killer blow for the music industry either now or when it has arithmetically got better. Doesn't sound great if you'll excuse the pun.
TX.
Maybe, from a technical viewpoint, but even if we plonk a generated hot chick in a video as the music influencer/star/whatever, she won't have the character/personality that people are drawn to. And you can't see her in concert. I suppose AI influencers are earning agencies money online already so they could still stick to online activities. So the way a musician could beat this is by being more "out there" and interacting with the crowds. Taylor Swift is good at this so taking a leaf or ten from her book is a good idea.TX.
Hoofy said:
Terminator X said:
Won't this be a killer blow for the music industry either now or when it has arithmetically got better. Doesn't sound great if you'll excuse the pun.
TX.
Maybe, from a technical viewpoint, but even if we plonk a generated hot chick in a video as the music influencer/star/whatever, she won't have the character/personality that people are drawn to. And you can't see her in concert. I suppose AI influencers are earning agencies money online already so they could still stick to online activities. So the way a musician could beat this is by being more "out there" and interacting with the crowds. Taylor Swift is good at this so taking a leaf or ten from her book is a good idea.TX.
And smaller bands, whose whole existence can be transformed if their track gets used on an advert or TV show, won't have that opportunity if "real" music is replaced by AI music because of costs
boyse7en said:
AI might not have much of an effect on the Taylor Swifts and Billie Eilishs etc of the pop world, but it will be a real killer for the guys who write and perform backing tracks, film scores, advert jingles, etc.
And smaller bands, whose whole existence can be transformed if their track gets used on an advert or TV show, won't have that opportunity if "real" music is replaced by AI music because of costs
That's true. Smaller artists will have to bring the human into it, then. If they build a fanbase, it will for instance boost a product's sales.And smaller bands, whose whole existence can be transformed if their track gets used on an advert or TV show, won't have that opportunity if "real" music is replaced by AI music because of costs
Likewise I've been playing about with Suno. Initially you get pretty schmalzy generic nonsense, but after getting a bit more nuanced with the prompts you can create some really good stuff, easily as good as most mid level pop out there, and if you treat it as a starting point that you then develop it could be an incredible tool.
You can export the audio stems and then use one of the transcription services to turn it into both MIDI and sheet music so that you can work on it or remix in Logic for example. You should be able to edit out any of the most obvious 'errors' pretty quickly that way.
Currently I'm really enjoying listening to my growing collection of self AI generated stuff.
One thing that strikes me is how catchy everything is, that's both good and bad as it also means it's a bit predictable as these go together. Look how people prefer to listen to their own favourites list rather than putting Apple Music in shuffle from the whole catalog? It's the same effect.
But it won't take long (it may already be there I don't know) for there to be options to make the AI discard the most popular neural weights and follow the path less trodden to generate more interesting output.
The real $64,000 question is whether human creativity is exactly this, but discarding the most obvious options, in which case we're screwed as AI can do all that, or whether real creativity comes from somewhere else that the current AI model just don't consider.
Either way, it's a lot of fun, and if it means that people with ideas, but without the skills to express them, can make music, it's surely a good thing?
Here's a couple of examples that took all of around 5 minutes!
https://suno.com/s/jM3YgCJQldhND98v
https://suno.com/s/gXNaM8FCJrSHRljy
You can export the audio stems and then use one of the transcription services to turn it into both MIDI and sheet music so that you can work on it or remix in Logic for example. You should be able to edit out any of the most obvious 'errors' pretty quickly that way.
Currently I'm really enjoying listening to my growing collection of self AI generated stuff.
One thing that strikes me is how catchy everything is, that's both good and bad as it also means it's a bit predictable as these go together. Look how people prefer to listen to their own favourites list rather than putting Apple Music in shuffle from the whole catalog? It's the same effect.
But it won't take long (it may already be there I don't know) for there to be options to make the AI discard the most popular neural weights and follow the path less trodden to generate more interesting output.
The real $64,000 question is whether human creativity is exactly this, but discarding the most obvious options, in which case we're screwed as AI can do all that, or whether real creativity comes from somewhere else that the current AI model just don't consider.
Either way, it's a lot of fun, and if it means that people with ideas, but without the skills to express them, can make music, it's surely a good thing?
Here's a couple of examples that took all of around 5 minutes!
https://suno.com/s/jM3YgCJQldhND98v
https://suno.com/s/gXNaM8FCJrSHRljy
I discovered Suno a couple of months ago after watching a Rick Beato vid, and a couple of weeks before that I'd come up with a nice "jazzy" chord progression in A Minor. So I told Sumo to create a "jazz influenced" tune using my chord progression. IIRC it was Am / Em / Am / Dsus4 / Bdim / Am / E using different chord inversions. Anyway, it produced this in less than 30 seconds:-
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xUCvlQHhyLk?feature...
Deeply impressive, although the auto-tuned vox jars a bit.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/xUCvlQHhyLk?feature...
Deeply impressive, although the auto-tuned vox jars a bit.
Sporky said:
Nice to see that AI is continuing to replace creative jobs so that we can all get on with low paid unsatisfying grind-work for our billionaire overlords.
That's just your mindset.I was reading elsewhere that one person was using AI to generate tracks for their own lyrics so that they could then show their vision to a musician who can then create the final piece from scratch.
Personally, I use AI to generate video footage to accompany my own music that I produce using hardware synths. I'm not going to pay a videographer to create footage and prior to AI, I was using free B-roll.
The even crazier thing is that you can export the stems, transcribe them into sheet music and MIDI and then further refine the project in Logic Pro X or similar, so you can use the Suno file as just a starting point and work from there.
It’s pretty amazing I think and as well as wiping out most (already formulaic) library music will be a fantastic tool for many people.
Not all good of course, just as blogs allowed a lot of
Mindless drivel and even dangerous discourse to flourish, but still an incredible tool.
It’s pretty amazing I think and as well as wiping out most (already formulaic) library music will be a fantastic tool for many people.
Not all good of course, just as blogs allowed a lot of
Mindless drivel and even dangerous discourse to flourish, but still an incredible tool.
Really liking Suno. From nothing more than my own prompts I'm getting stuff out of it that's more what I'd like to listen to than anything that exists in reality!
Has anyone here upgraded? It doesn't seem to offer GBP as a currency. Did you go with USD or Euro?
Equally, I like producing electronic music as a hobby and would love to work with a female vocalist to create some dreamy electro/trance/new age sounding stuff... but I can't afford to pay someone and no one good is going to collaborate on a "share the costs, share the income" basis. This will fix that issue. I make a track, upload it and ask it to add some vocals. I'm not costing anyone a job as I couldn't afford to pay someone to do that job in the first place. In fact, if someone liked the end product enough to think it had real potential, and wanted to take a punt on it and collaborate, I'd happily dump the AI layer in favour of them.
Has anyone here upgraded? It doesn't seem to offer GBP as a currency. Did you go with USD or Euro?
Hoofy said:
I was reading elsewhere that one person was using AI to generate tracks for their own lyrics so that they could then show their vision to a musician who can then create the final piece from scratch.
Indeed. Equally, I like producing electronic music as a hobby and would love to work with a female vocalist to create some dreamy electro/trance/new age sounding stuff... but I can't afford to pay someone and no one good is going to collaborate on a "share the costs, share the income" basis. This will fix that issue. I make a track, upload it and ask it to add some vocals. I'm not costing anyone a job as I couldn't afford to pay someone to do that job in the first place. In fact, if someone liked the end product enough to think it had real potential, and wanted to take a punt on it and collaborate, I'd happily dump the AI layer in favour of them.
Edited by MitchT on Sunday 14th September 15:19
Hoofy said:
Personally, I use AI to generate video footage to accompany my own music that I produce using hardware synths. I'm not going to pay a videographer to create footage and prior to AI, I was using free B-roll.
So we've got one 0erson using AI in order to avoid someone making music. You're using AI to avoid someone making video.Can you not see how the two could combine, and you're both replaced by AI?
It's not replacing people gutting fish or picking vegetables or unblocking sewers. It's replacing creatives.
Sporky said:
Hoofy said:
Personally, I use AI to generate video footage to accompany my own music that I produce using hardware synths. I'm not going to pay a videographer to create footage and prior to AI, I was using free B-roll.
So we've got one 0erson using AI in order to avoid someone making music. You're using AI to avoid someone making video.Can you not see how the two could combine, and you're both replaced by AI?
It's not replacing people gutting fish or picking vegetables or unblocking sewers. It's replacing creatives.
"I was reading elsewhere that one person was using AI to generate tracks for their own lyrics so that they could then show their vision to a musician who can then create the final piece from scratch."
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