Whiskey in the jar
Whiskey in the jar
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eric twinge

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1,797 posts

251 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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Who wrote the original Whiskey in the Jar?

I watched the Thin Lizzy doc on BBC4 and it gave the impression it was Lynott/Snowy, but Wikipedia states all sorts.

Anyone know?

Whilst we are here http://youtu.be/-M2jSzLBzK4

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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wikipedia said:
"Whiskey in the Jar" is a famous Irish traditional song
So nobody in particular.

Legacywr

15,585 posts

217 months

Thursday 14th July 2011
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It's an old Irish folk song, but the members of TL told the record company that they had written it, which clinched them thier original record deal!

Big_Kahuna

186 posts

232 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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My great, great, great, great, great, great grandfather's cousin's wife's nephew's friend of a friend, oh on my Irish ancestry's side.....

kiteless

12,556 posts

233 months

Friday 15th July 2011
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Yes, it is a traditional Irish tune.

IIRC, Thin Lizzy were in a recording studio and - during a rest period - Phil started noodling on the bass and singing it; "Crockenkerry Mountains" and all that. Eric Bell overheard it, and created that guitar lick.


goldblum

10,272 posts

196 months

Tuesday 19th July 2011
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The Metallica version is rather good.

This was recorded live in Dublin,it's off the album Garage,Inc.

http://youtu.be/u0m2HlbKFZQ

eric twinge

Original Poster:

1,797 posts

251 months

Wednesday 20th July 2011
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goldblum said:
The Metallica version is rather good.

This was recorded live in Dublin,it's off the album Garage,Inc.

http://youtu.be/u0m2HlbKFZQ
yes, i've seen that a fair few times, brilliant!

fullgear1

31 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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The Dubliners wrote the song. I liked Thin Lizzy's version, but Metallica did a nice job aswell.

Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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fullgear1 said:
The Dubliners wrote the song.
^^readit^^

loser

ETA: from wiki so not gospel, but...

The song's exact origins are unknown. A number of its lines and the general plot resemble those of a contemporary broadside ballad "Patrick Fleming" (also called "Patrick Flemmen he was a Valiant Soldier") about an Irish highwayman executed in 1650.[3][4]
In the book The Folk Songs of North America, folk music historian Alan Lomax suggests that the song originated in the 17th century, and (based on plot similarities) that John Gay's 1728 The Beggar's Opera was inspired by Gay hearing an Irish ballad-monger singing "Whiskey in the Jar". In regard to the history of the song, Lomax states, "The folk of seventeenth century Britain liked and admired their local highwaymen; and in Ireland (or Scotland) where the gentlemen of the roads robbed English landlords, they were regarded as national patriots. Such feelings inspired this rollicking ballad."[5]
At some point, the song came to the United States and was a favorite in Colonial America because of its irreverent attitude toward British officials. The American versions are sometimes set in America and deal with American characters. One such version, from Massachusetts, is about Alan McCollister, an Irish-American soldier who is sentenced to death by hanging for robbing British officials.[5]
The song appeared in a form close to its modern version in a precursor called "The Sporting Hero, or, Whiskey in the Bar" in a mid-1850s broadsheet.[6]
The song collector Colm Ó Lochlainn, in his book Irish Street Ballads,[7] described how his mother learnt Whiskey in the Jar in Limerick in 1870 from a man called Buckley who came from Cork. When O Lochlainn included the song in Irish Street Ballads, he wrote down the lyrics from memory as he had learnt them from his mother. He calls the song, There's Whiskey in the Jar and the lyrics are virtually identical to the version that was used by Irish bands in the 1960s such as the Dubliners. The O Lochlainn version refers to the "far fam'd Kerry mountain" rather than the Cork and Kerry mountains, as appears in some versions.
The song also appears under the title There's Whiskey in the Jar in the Joyce [8] collection, but that only includes the melody line without any lyrics.

fullgear1

31 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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ETA: from wiki so not gospel, but...

The song's exact origins are unknown. A number of its lines and the general plot resemble those of a contemporary broadside ballad "Patrick Fleming" (also called "Patrick Flemmen he was a Valiant Soldier") about an Irish highwayman executed in 1650.[3][4]
In the book The Folk Songs of North America, folk music historian Alan Lomax suggests that the song originated in the 17th century, and (based on plot similarities) that John Gay's 1728 The Beggar's Opera was inspired by Gay hearing an Irish ballad-monger singing "Whiskey in the Jar". In regard to the history of the song, Lomax states, "The folk of seventeenth century Britain liked and admired their local highwaymen; and in Ireland (or Scotland) where the gentlemen of the roads robbed English landlords, they were regarded as national patriots. Such feelings inspired this rollicking ballad."[5]
At some point, the song came to the United States and was a favorite in Colonial America because of its irreverent attitude toward British officials. The American versions are sometimes set in America and deal with American characters. One such version, from Massachusetts, is about Alan McCollister, an Irish-American soldier who is sentenced to death by hanging for robbing British officials.[5]
The song appeared in a form close to its modern version in a precursor called "The Sporting Hero, or, Whiskey in the Bar" in a mid-1850s broadsheet.[6]
The song collector Colm Ó Lochlainn, in his book Irish Street Ballads,[7] described how his mother learnt Whiskey in the Jar in Limerick in 1870 from a man called Buckley who came from Cork. When O Lochlainn included the song in Irish Street Ballads, he wrote down the lyrics from memory as he had learnt them from his mother. He calls the song, There's Whiskey in the Jar and the lyrics are virtually identical to the version that was used by Irish bands in the 1960s such as the Dubliners. The O Lochlainn version refers to the "far fam'd Kerry mountain" rather than the Cork and Kerry mountains, as appears in some versions.
The song also appears under the title There's Whiskey in the Jar in the Joyce [8] collection, but that only includes the melody line without any lyrics.

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Wiki is sometimes inaccurate, but yea, it is an old Irish folk song.

Pothole

34,367 posts

311 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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fullgear1 said:
Pothole said:
ETA: from wiki so not gospel, but...

The song's exact origins are unknown. A number of its lines and the general plot resemble those of a contemporary broadside ballad "Patrick Fleming" (also called "Patrick Flemmen he was a Valiant Soldier") about an Irish highwayman executed in 1650.[3][4]
In the book The Folk Songs of North America, folk music historian Alan Lomax suggests that the song originated in the 17th century, and (based on plot similarities) that John Gay's 1728 The Beggar's Opera was inspired by Gay hearing an Irish ballad-monger singing "Whiskey in the Jar". In regard to the history of the song, Lomax states, "The folk of seventeenth century Britain liked and admired their local highwaymen; and in Ireland (or Scotland) where the gentlemen of the roads robbed English landlords, they were regarded as national patriots. Such feelings inspired this rollicking ballad."[5]
At some point, the song came to the United States and was a favorite in Colonial America because of its irreverent attitude toward British officials. The American versions are sometimes set in America and deal with American characters. One such version, from Massachusetts, is about Alan McCollister, an Irish-American soldier who is sentenced to death by hanging for robbing British officials.[5]
The song appeared in a form close to its modern version in a precursor called "The Sporting Hero, or, Whiskey in the Bar" in a mid-1850s broadsheet.[6]
The song collector Colm Ó Lochlainn, in his book Irish Street Ballads,[7] described how his mother learnt Whiskey in the Jar in Limerick in 1870 from a man called Buckley who came from Cork. When O Lochlainn included the song in Irish Street Ballads, he wrote down the lyrics from memory as he had learnt them from his mother. He calls the song, There's Whiskey in the Jar and the lyrics are virtually identical to the version that was used by Irish bands in the 1960s such as the Dubliners. The O Lochlainn version refers to the "far fam'd Kerry mountain" rather than the Cork and Kerry mountains, as appears in some versions.
The song also appears under the title There's Whiskey in the Jar in the Joyce [8] collection, but that only includes the melody line without any lyrics.
Wiki is sometimes inaccurate, but yea, it is an old Irish folk song.
not written by The Dubliners, then? OK.


Edited by Pothole on Monday 12th September 00:10


Edited by Pothole on Monday 12th September 00:11

dealmaker

2,215 posts

283 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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Its a brilliant song - and an excellent one to play.....

...saw the latest incarnation of Lizzy doing in this year with Viv Campbell (Def Leppard) - and he played a fantastic version - with loads of feel and a superb tone - best I've ever heard the song.....

chilistrucker

4,543 posts

180 months

Sunday 11th September 2011
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eric twinge said:
Who wrote the original Whiskey in the Jar?

I watched the Thin Lizzy doc on BBC4 and it gave the impression it was Lynott/Snowy, but Wikipedia states all sorts.

Anyone know?

Whilst we are here http://youtu.be/-M2jSzLBzK4
got to work with snowy earlier this year, on the wall tour, got to say, he's a top lad.

dealmaker

2,215 posts

283 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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Viv Campbell = brilliant guitarist - he uses freakin 13's for chrissake! :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HWeRkX41qE

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Monday 12th September 2011
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dealmaker said:
Viv Campbell = brilliant guitarist - he uses freakin 13's for chrissake! :


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HWeRkX41qE
I tried 13s once but the neck on my electric bowed quite a bit with them on...