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sidewinder500 said:
Hmmmmm, not a hard one.
Let me try to answer your questions:
Yes, he's good, in fact he's very good. His technique got a lot better since he was young, but his strong points are his timing (re you mentioning a click track) and his musicianship and his feel, his limitations early on became his virtues (at least back then).
He may have been not flashy/expert taught/innovative/etc as some of his contemporary colleagues, but his playing is so right for all these Beatles tracks, so much for the enhancement of the songs, nobody could have played it better. Differently yes, but better I think not (there are some yt videos around when Jimmy Nichol played a few concerts in '64 or '65, when he was ill. Nicol was a better player technically, but his feel was different for the songs, but listen for yourself).
When you play to Beatles songs (or even cover them) you will have a hard time sticking to this reduced and nuanced, and exact playing, which is the only way of doing it, IMO.
Forget that joke about left hand kits, you can build them up either way...
Lot of drummers play rhd, even when they are lefties (me too...), it's all about learning and sticking to a routine.
How much of his playing is producing by G. Martin and the sound engineers, I don't know, but in the end it's his legacy.
In the 60s not many artists used a click track, therefore the music had definitely more feel as the dynamic was a little flowing, but a lot of the old school drummers have been raised on jazz/dixie/military corps, so the best crop was tight anyway.
He was definitely no guy with cool chops, like Ginger Baker or Mitch Mitchell and Ian Paice, originally Jazz drummers who went Rock, or heavy hitters like Bonham or Cozy Powell, or complete nutcases like Moon, but all these cats are so connected with their respective bands that they became synonymous with their sound.
Growing up with 60s music when it was still contemporary gives you a good understanding how music and production evolved with time, so you can appreciate what these artists tried to tell and how much they achieved it.
Being a semi pro drummer for over 40something years (starting when I was 13) I definitely learned my lessons not to underrate anyone in music.
Your reply nails it as far as I'm concerned.Let me try to answer your questions:
Yes, he's good, in fact he's very good. His technique got a lot better since he was young, but his strong points are his timing (re you mentioning a click track) and his musicianship and his feel, his limitations early on became his virtues (at least back then).
He may have been not flashy/expert taught/innovative/etc as some of his contemporary colleagues, but his playing is so right for all these Beatles tracks, so much for the enhancement of the songs, nobody could have played it better. Differently yes, but better I think not (there are some yt videos around when Jimmy Nichol played a few concerts in '64 or '65, when he was ill. Nicol was a better player technically, but his feel was different for the songs, but listen for yourself).
When you play to Beatles songs (or even cover them) you will have a hard time sticking to this reduced and nuanced, and exact playing, which is the only way of doing it, IMO.
Forget that joke about left hand kits, you can build them up either way...
Lot of drummers play rhd, even when they are lefties (me too...), it's all about learning and sticking to a routine.
How much of his playing is producing by G. Martin and the sound engineers, I don't know, but in the end it's his legacy.
In the 60s not many artists used a click track, therefore the music had definitely more feel as the dynamic was a little flowing, but a lot of the old school drummers have been raised on jazz/dixie/military corps, so the best crop was tight anyway.
He was definitely no guy with cool chops, like Ginger Baker or Mitch Mitchell and Ian Paice, originally Jazz drummers who went Rock, or heavy hitters like Bonham or Cozy Powell, or complete nutcases like Moon, but all these cats are so connected with their respective bands that they became synonymous with their sound.
Growing up with 60s music when it was still contemporary gives you a good understanding how music and production evolved with time, so you can appreciate what these artists tried to tell and how much they achieved it.
Being a semi pro drummer for over 40something years (starting when I was 13) I definitely learned my lessons not to underrate anyone in music.
Yes in the 60's he was criticised, mostly by more "normal" drummers and it became popular to knock him, but the drumming on the likes of the Revolver LP and as Dewey above said "Tomorrow Never Knows" is phenominal and defines the track.
I think the happy smily face, noddy head and silly pranks were the cause of some of the caustic comments.
Elderly said:
dandarez said:
Just to add: Zak Starkey is not bad either, mind you that was thanks to 'Moon the Loon', and not his dad.
Zak can keep time a lot better than his father ………I liked his playing with Johnny Marr and Oasis (probably the best stuff Oasis made, IMO), as he had the right vibes for their sound, with the Who, not so much...
He may be better in almost everything than his dad, but he's not that recognisable as Ringo, that's the bottom line.
This will tell you all you need to know.
(And she's easy on the eye too.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCczct2ZIM
(And she's easy on the eye too.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCczct2ZIM
Stealthracer said:
This will tell you all you need to know.
(And she's easy on the eye too.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCczct2ZIM
Chill out jimmy savile. (And she's easy on the eye too.)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NCczct2ZIM
He's been doing some really good stuff with Ian Hunter recently, brilliant stuff featuring Mike Campbell too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1B-oHjTiI0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B1B-oHjTiI0
Nethybridge said:
None of them were virtuosos, nor ever claimed to be, that came
later with Floyd, Cream and Zeppelin, even John who could be dismissive of the band in his
later years, described them as a bloody good rock n roll group.
Starr was much sought after in Merseyside as a good, reliable sideman, and wisely
he chose the right band to join.
Ringo was 'poached ' from Rory Storm and The Hurricanes to replace Pete Best who wasn't thought good enough.later with Floyd, Cream and Zeppelin, even John who could be dismissive of the band in his
later years, described them as a bloody good rock n roll group.
Starr was much sought after in Merseyside as a good, reliable sideman, and wisely
he chose the right band to join.
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