for fans of heavy music

[tuscaneer]

can't remember if i've stuffed this up before or not but this guy (ares) on the guitar had a big influence on my playing style back in '92 when their first album came out.outstanding!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DhJ6xpitT3k



used to cover this one but my guy didn't like singing in spanish!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWa_rNWQi8s&fea...

Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 22 July 07:48

[tuscaneer]

the breakdown at 2.26 is epic here.these boys lost their way after this album but their last offering seems back on track

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YW-oc2G7GYc&fea...

Edited by tuscaneer on Thursday 22 July 08:05

[tuscaneer]

wat do you boys think of the new korn song??bit of a let down for me to be honest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JxG--QrKMAw&fea...

[hornet]

tuscaneer said:

sorry in advance to the black metal boys but i find it all very embarrasing.rhythmically,when everything is played at breakneck speed you lose a lot of dynamism.this is why i can't abide blast beat stuff.very accomplished i know but totally devoid of any sympathy to the other instruments.

There's enough BM out there that isn't all blast beats, all the time. In fact I prefer the slower stuff, on the whole. I could of course argue (in a good natured way) that the Korny end of the metal spectrum suffers from the same sort of thing, in that it's the same riffs, the same song structures (quiet bit, shouty bit, another quiet bit, more shouting) and the same vocal styles for oh so many bands. I also find all the gurning and posing utterly stupid, but Black Metal is hardly blameless in that regard!

[tuscaneer]

hornet said:

tuscaneer said:

sorry in advance to the black metal boys but i find it all very embarrasing.rhythmically,when everything is played at breakneck speed you lose a lot of dynamism.this is why i can't abide blast beat stuff.very accomplished i know but totally devoid of any sympathy to the other instruments.

There's enough BM out there that isn't all blast beats, all the time. In fact I prefer the slower stuff, on the whole. I could of course argue (in a good natured way) that the Korny end of the metal spectrum suffers from the same sort of thing, in that it's the same riffs, the same song structures (quiet bit, shouty bit, another quiet bit, more shouting) and the same vocal styles for oh so many bands. I also find all the gurning and posing utterly stupid, but Black Metal is hardly blameless in that regard!

totally agree fella,i remember after korn jumped off in the 90's every tt and his dog donned an adidas trackie,got some dreads and then simmered and whimpered before letting go full bore.some were ok(ill nino)some were bks(coal chamber)and hundreds i can't even remember!!

[RV8]

tuscaneer said:

hornet said:

tuscaneer said:

sorry in advance to the black metal boys but i find it all very embarrasing.rhythmically,when everything is played at breakneck speed you lose a lot of dynamism.this is why i can't abide blast beat stuff.very accomplished i know but totally devoid of any sympathy to the other instruments.

There's enough BM out there that isn't all blast beats, all the time. In fact I prefer the slower stuff, on the whole. I could of course argue (in a good natured way) that the Korny end of the metal spectrum suffers from the same sort of thing, in that it's the same riffs, the same song structures (quiet bit, shouty bit, another quiet bit, more shouting) and the same vocal styles for oh so many bands. I also find all the gurning and posing utterly stupid, but Black Metal is hardly blameless in that regard!

totally agree fella,i remember after korn jumped off in the 90's every tt and his dog donned an adidas trackie,got some dreads and then simmered and whimpered before letting go full bore.some were ok(ill nino)some were bks(coal chamber)and hundreds i can't even remember!!

I got the first album by Korn when it came out, it has been signed by most of the band. I still think they are alright but the earlier stuff was best imo.
Deftones are another band that have been ripped off - I remember listening to their first album, Adrenaline around '96, at the same time as Downset and Biohazard & Dog eat Dog, remember them?

Good to see another Kerbdog fan, not many people I know even remember them. Nice to know there are other guitarists on here also - own any interesting guitars?

[Gompo]

Black Metal, as Hornet alluded to, is probably the most diverse of Metal sub-genres out there and definitely doesnt rely on (breakneck) speed. If you went through every Black Metal link in this thread I'd expect there to be a good variety .

If there was one sub-genre that did rely on a fast pace, it'd be Thrash.

[Swervin_Mervin]

RV8 said:

I got the first album by Korn when it came out, it has been signed by most of the band. I still think they are alright but the earlier stuff was best imo.
Deftones are another band that have been ripped off - I remember listening to their first album, Adrenaline around '96, at the same time as Downset and Biohazard & Dog eat Dog, remember them?

Funnily enough, I got the first Korn album when it came out and it was always, and still is, something I find I can't listen to all the way through. I've never been able to put my finger on why but I could only take their earlier stuff in short bursts before getting bored.

However, their later stuff from the early 00's, when they'd developed that bigger soundstage with a greater depth, and more atmosphere, I really got into. Unfortunatley, from what I hear, their latest offering sees more of a return to their very early work.

[JaymzDead]

Never particularly liked Kerbdog, personally, always thought the likes of Helmet were much better.

As for UKBM, I thought I'd post a shameless plug for my mate's band, Necro Ritual, they have supported Watain, Destroyer666 and Desaster on previous UK tours, here's a link to a recent show: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hgW1cHJZBAk

Also lately I have been listening to the new Exodus: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6pspy8EX1w
which is damn good.

[tuscaneer]

i'm not negatively fixating on the crazy speeds with bouble bass drum ad nauseum because it can be very effective. i agree for the most part thrash was mono paced but i don't think reign in blood is anywhere near as good as south of heaven or seasons in the abyss.(as an example of thrash not being like this all the time).again,it's each to their own and wouldn't it be ste if we all liked the exact same bands??

[Gompo]

For me personally I dont really think the slower/different moments in Slayer, or indeed any Thrash band, are particularly Thrash (I tend to think it's defined by the drums, a constant beat of 160+BPM) but as you say we all have different tastes and opinions of bands and defintions.

[tuscaneer]

RV8 said:

tuscaneer said:

hornet said:

tuscaneer said:

sorry in advance to the black metal boys but i find it all very embarrasing.rhythmically,when everything is played at breakneck speed you lose a lot of dynamism.this is why i can't abide blast beat stuff.very accomplished i know but totally devoid of any sympathy to the other instruments.

There's enough BM out there that isn't all blast beats, all the time. In fact I prefer the slower stuff, on the whole. I could of course argue (in a good natured way) that the Korny end of the metal spectrum suffers from the same sort of thing, in that it's the same riffs, the same song structures (quiet bit, shouty bit, another quiet bit, more shouting) and the same vocal styles for oh so many bands. I also find all the gurning and posing utterly stupid, but Black Metal is hardly blameless in that regard!

totally agree fella,i remember after korn jumped off in the 90's every tt and his dog donned an adidas trackie,got some dreads and then simmered and whimpered before letting go full bore.some were ok(ill nino)some were bks(coal chamber)and hundreds i can't even remember!!

I got the first album by Korn when it came out, it has been signed by most of the band. I still think they are alright but the earlier stuff was best imo.
Deftones are another band that have been ripped off - I remember listening to their first album, Adrenaline around '96, at the same time as Downset and Biohazard & Dog eat Dog, remember them?

Good to see another Kerbdog fan, not many people I know even remember them. Nice to know there are other guitarists on here also - own any interesting guitars?

started out with all kinds of st before getting a `74 fender strat.cracking guitar but no weight to the sound so i stuck a dimarzio humbucker on the back to beef it up a bit.slight improvement but nowhere near what i wanted for heavy stuff so got a gibson les paul.fking great piece of kit and i also have that guitar to this day.i could tune right down to c sharp before it sounded too "loose".gibson for heavy work and fender for more finger tappy type playing.jcm 900 marshall head and 2x marshall 12 cabinets with a zoom floor bank of effects pedals.
acoustic i'm a takamine man with a 6 and 12 string.also got an old unnamed flamenco but i can't play like those guys!!

[stompboxx]

tuscaneer said:

RV8 said:

tuscaneer said:

hornet said:

tuscaneer said:

sorry in advance to the black metal boys but i find it all very embarrasing.rhythmically,when everything is played at breakneck speed you lose a lot of dynamism.this is why i can't abide blast beat stuff.very accomplished i know but totally devoid of any sympathy to the other instruments.

There's enough BM out there that isn't all blast beats, all the time. In fact I prefer the slower stuff, on the whole. I could of course argue (in a good natured way) that the Korny end of the metal spectrum suffers from the same sort of thing, in that it's the same riffs, the same song structures (quiet bit, shouty bit, another quiet bit, more shouting) and the same vocal styles for oh so many bands. I also find all the gurning and posing utterly stupid, but Black Metal is hardly blameless in that regard!

totally agree fella,i remember after korn jumped off in the 90's every tt and his dog donned an adidas trackie,got some dreads and then simmered and whimpered before letting go full bore.some were ok(ill nino)some were bks(coal chamber)and hundreds i can't even remember!!

I got the first album by Korn when it came out, it has been signed by most of the band. I still think they are alright but the earlier stuff was best imo.
Deftones are another band that have been ripped off - I remember listening to their first album, Adrenaline around '96, at the same time as Downset and Biohazard & Dog eat Dog, remember them?

Good to see another Kerbdog fan, not many people I know even remember them. Nice to know there are other guitarists on here also - own any interesting guitars?

started out with all kinds of st before getting a `74 fender strat.cracking guitar but no weight to the sound so i stuck a dimarzio humbucker on the back to beef it up a bit.slight improvement but nowhere near what i wanted for heavy stuff so got a gibson les paul.fking great piece of kit and i also have that guitar to this day.i could tune right down to c sharp before it sounded too "loose".gibson for heavy work and fender for more finger tappy type playing.jcm 900 marshall head and 2x marshall 12 cabinets with a zoom floor bank of effects pedals.
acoustic i'm a takamine man with a 6 and 12 string.also got an old unnamed flamenco but i can't play like those guys!!

Hahaha cool we can talk guitars too.....i've got a few!!

[stompboxx]

I'm liking this right now:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H9BHUtdMWhk

going to see them tomorrow at the Shoreditch Festival!

[stompboxx]

In terms of properly heavy stuff...check this out, it's great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zYSv9IqzEg

[tuscaneer]

oh mate,i wanted the stephen carpenter signature 7 string.until i heard all these crazy bds like animals as leaders and chimpspanner rocking out with 8 strings.the harmonic range in some of the chords you can reach on these things is like having 2 instruments at once.and it can sound heavy as fk to boot!!!!

[tuscaneer]

stompboxx said:

In terms of properly heavy stuff...check this out, it's great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zYSv9IqzEg

WHAT...THE....fk....!!!!!

[t84]

Raised Fist - And Then They Run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWz50MJBd7Q

[JaymzDead]

stompboxx said:

In terms of properly heavy stuff...check this out, it's great:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7zYSv9IqzEg

Nice one! Anaal Nathrakh rule!

Some more cool (but mostly old stuff) I have been digging of late:

At The Gates: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPl2ZeF3Cdc&fea...

New Ihsahn goodness: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QpluTn_bPXI

[tuscaneer]

t84 said:

Raised Fist - And Then They Run: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lWz50MJBd7Q

not come across these swedes before.very hardcore influenced i think.not bad,and seing as we are talking swedish metal/hardcore i give you:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wJPoSaAoZ9w

fireside...very quicksand/fugazi influenced but really addictive.got this album when i dropped.

from the embers of fireside you get to;;;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m3AoiVMQqX4

fking love refused!!