Dessert wines - what's the art in choosing the right one?

Dessert wines - what's the art in choosing the right one?

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Ranger 6

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Friday 16th November 2007
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We went to the River Cafe for our tenth anniversary recently and enjoyed a superb dessert wine with our cheese.

What's the secret in choosing a good wine to go with cheese as we're planning a dinner for some friends at new year.

Thanks smile

markomah

652 posts

229 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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Any particular cheese in mind?

Ranger 6

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259 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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Yes, a selection of the typical supermarket ones - Brie, Port Salut, Emmental and possibly Stilton or a lighter blue cheese.

That would've been the sensible thing to include in the first place...

vernan

137 posts

219 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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None at all, in my opinion. Red wine is good with cheeses, and as they should be served after the main and before dessert, then you just carry on with the red you've been drinking.

Dessert wine should be served with desserts - that's what it's for. Something special (sauternes or whatever) on its own, but something like Lindemans or Brown Brothers Muscat with a good robust pud.

That all sounds a bit didactic, sorry.

Wadeski

8,493 posts

223 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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Alsace stickies are delicious, but my personal favourite are Austrian ones. Sublime. Look for "Kracher".

Puggit

48,923 posts

258 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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On a business trip to Toronto I recently discovered IceWine (or Eiswine in Germany) - very expensive at £29 for 37.5 Cl but worth every penny yum

Ranger 6

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Friday 16th November 2007
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Good point made there vernan - we usually either can't be bothered with pud or do the cheese last and graze while nattering.

Will look for the others - thanks smile

vernan

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219 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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What about some more special cheeses then?

If it's new year - Vacherin Mont D'Or, heat it in the oven in the box, bit of bread? Go nicely with a dessert wine. Or even better a bottle of madeira?

Waitrose cheese selection now very good, and they do Md'O. Majestic for wine, or Waitrose too.

HiRich

3,337 posts

272 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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Pretty much as vernan says, there's no real secret, just a bit of experience. I would suggest that the 'rules' are less than for regular wines (white with fish, etc.), so it is more about just personal choice. A lot of it comes down to trying alternatives and deciding whether you like them - half bottles come in very handy for this, and Oddbins are normally pretty good for halves.

Step 1 is perhaps to work out what's out there. A trip to WH Smiths library is probably worth it right now - all the wine annuals are out. So take a browse (Hugh Johnson's pocket book may be good, though I don't have a copy to hand) for notes on wine with food and lists of dessert wines. Then it's a case of jumping in and trying them.

Some will work for you, some won't. I don't particularly like the Australian Muscats (too apricotty for me), but love Italian Vin Santo. And a good Amontillado sherry can work, make a good aperitif as well, and be relatively cheap. Others will have their own favourites, and you'll find your own taste. Just have fun getting there.

Don

28,377 posts

294 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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A superb combination is Stilton or another quality blue cheese - and probably softer the better and a good dessert wine. The Australians and New Zealenders have been producing some of the world's finest dessert wines for a good while now.

I would heartily recommend:

Henchke Late Harvest Semillon and Henchke Late Harvest Riesling.

Also, if you can get it, "Virtu" from Montana wines in NZ.

All fab. Great with blue chees and simply stunning with Tiramisu.

Ranger 6

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Friday 16th November 2007
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Some great stuff there - thanks!

I think we'll have some fun 'tasting' to make sure we've got it right smile

Wadeski

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223 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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ah the chap has a website. google is a wonderful thing.

http://www.thewinedoctor.com/austria/kracher.shtml

Ranger 6

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Friday 16th November 2007
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Good resource there! - going to be p*ssed from here on then....yum

markomah

652 posts

229 months

Friday 16th November 2007
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Port and Stilton is a classic combination; not the most imaginative, perhaps, but it's a classic for a reason. Vintage port is the ne plus ultra but priced accordingly; single quinta ports are made in lesser years and offer a lot of the same bang for considerably less buck.

On similar lines, Sauternes and Roquefort is a classic French combination; the mixture of sweet and salty is absolutely gorgeous (and if you can get good cherry tomatoes, it's like having little taste bombs explode in your mouth when you combine the three!).

As Vernan already suggested, Madeira can be superb with stronger flavoured cheeses like Mont d'Or (and the fact that it's relatively unfashionable these days and, hence, great value is a pleasant bonus).

For the others, I'd personally prefer a red wine but, as with all matters vinous, it's 99.9% subjective and you should go with whatever feels/tastes right to you!

One other thing; I always find it hard to taste a red wine properly after drinking something very sweet - the palate takes a while to recover. You might want to avoid keeping the best wines for the end of the evening if you find the same.

A period of intensive research before the New Year could be in order drunk!


MitchT

16,464 posts

219 months

Sunday 25th November 2007
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Ranger 6 said:
Yes, a selection of the typical supermarket ones - Brie, Port Salut, Emmental and possibly Stilton or a lighter blue cheese.

That would've been the sensible thing to include in the first place...
I adore Port Salut. In my experience you can't beat a good Merlot or a Châteauneuf-du-Pape to accompany this delicious cheese. If I were sufficiently wealthy as to be able to indulge myself in this combination as much as I wanted I would be the size of a house by now!