Reasonable Sugar Tax?

[jonsp]

Went to the shop first thing. Mrs said can you get me a bottle of Coke, she meant the 500ml ones.

They had zero sugar for £1.40 or full fat for £1.80, Mrs is a size 6 and one of those people that can eat/drink whatever she likes without ill effects. So got her the full fat.

I know there's a sugar tax and can see the sense of that but never really noticed the spread. Googled it and seems the rate is 25p per litre, so should have been 12.5p for her half litre bottle.

Presumably the shop are paying the 12.5p and pocketing the difference?

[flight147z]

Appreciate it's not you and it's widespread but I've never understood why people call the original "full fat". It doesn't have any fat in it

[jonsp]

flight147z said:

Appreciate it's not you and it's widespread but I've never understood why people call the original "full fat". It doesn't have any fat in it

Fair point. In my defence, I've heard people call the full size Range Rover full fat

[Wilmslowboy]

The tax is paid by the manufacturer or importer, so in essence gets added to the wholesale price.
The retailer will apply normal markups etc, hence the wider spread by the point it gets to the customer.

[alangla]

Wilmslowboy said:

The tax is paid by the manufacturer or importer, so in essence gets added to the wholesale price.
The retailer will apply normal markups etc, hence the wider spread by the point it gets to the customer.

Is that also the case for restaurants? The sugar tax markup McDonalds apply to Coca Cola postmix drinks seems fairly close to 25p/litre.

[flight147z]

jonsp said:

flight147z said:

Appreciate it's not you and it's widespread but I've never understood why people call the original "full fat". It doesn't have any fat in it

Fair point. In my defence, I've heard people call the full size Range Rover full fat

I also don't like that given the sport is the same size but that's off topic

In response to your original question perhaps a little more complex than that - the cost of their supply may differ by more than the tax, e.g. they may sell less original coke so order less and pay more for it, passing that cost on to the customer

[Master Bean]

flight147z said:

Appreciate it's not you and it's widespread but I've never understood why people call the original "full fat". It doesn't have any fat in it

Because for some reason when you order "a coke" the waiter then asks if you want diet. If I wanted diet coke then that's what I'd order. In unrelated news I had some Greek Lemon Fanta which has 12g/100ml vs 4.5 for the UK stuff.

[.:ian:.]

A lot of the "full-fat" non-diet drinks have both sugar and also artificial sweetener, I guess to keep the price down.

[wyson]

Yes, I can’t drink them anymore because I don’t do well with the latest generation of sweeteners. Face goes puffy and I get leakage.

I think the original Coke is one of the few that don’t. Even ‘full fat’ Pepsi has Ace K in it.

[ashenfie]

.:ian:. said:

A lot of the "full-fat" non-diet drinks have both sugar and also artificial sweetener, I guess to keep the price down.

The tax has helped as we have heard, many popular foods have reduced sugar. Sadly just to have added artificial sweeteners. Maybe update it to an ultra processed food tax.

[alangla]

wyson said:

Yes, I can t drink them anymore because I don t do well with the latest generation of sweeteners. Face goes puffy and I get leakage.

I think the original Coke is one of the few that don t. Even full fat Pepsi has Ace K in it.

If you want a proper sugar overload without artificial sweeteners, Irn Bru 1901 is another option, but very expensive. Normal Irn Bru is about as foul and undrinkable as its Diet counterpart these days.

[FilH]

alangla said:

wyson said:

Yes, I can t drink them anymore because I don t do well with the latest generation of sweeteners. Face goes puffy and I get leakage.

I think the original Coke is one of the few that don t. Even full fat Pepsi has Ace K in it.

If you want a proper sugar overload without artificial sweeteners, Irn Bru 1901 is another option, but very expensive. Normal Irn Bru is about as foul and undrinkable as its Diet counterpart these days.

Check out the iCE brand of drinks, they do a proper iron bro rep. Full sugar, and caffine, belive the 1901 doesnt have the caffine like the original did.




Tax is tax , just gutted to get round it the producers reduced sugar and replaced it sweetners making everything taste ste. And to me , become undrinkable.

Ribenna, vimto, robinson squash and all the fizzy cans.

[TrevorHill]

FilH said:

Check out the iCE brand of drinks, they do a proper iron bro rep. Full sugar, and caffine, belive the 1901 doesnt have the caffine like the original did.

Todd s Energy Drinks in Belfast make a proper full fat, full sugar same great taste original Lucozde type drink. It s the proper old school Lucozade you used to buy from the pharmacy in the glass bottles and cellophane wrapper in everything but the name.

I ve just had a look on their website and it looks like they re out of the glass bottles, it s just that wee bit nicer chilled, from the bottle and they offer a money back guarantee if you re not completely satisfied.

https://toddsdrinks.co.uk/about-us/

Edited by TrevorHill on Monday 29th December 07:10

[alangla]

TrevorHill said:

Todd s Energy Drinks in Belfast make a proper full fat, full sugar same great taste original Lucozde type drink. It s the proper old school Lucozade you used to buy from the pharmacy in the glass bottles and cellophane wrapper in everything but the name.

I ve just had a look on their website and it looks like they re out of the glass bottles, it s just that wee bit nicer chilled, from the bottle and they offer a money back guarantee if you re not completely satisfied.

https://toddsdrinks.co.uk/about-us/

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That’s the one I never understood: why did Glucose Aid decide to reformulate and discontinue the original product rather than either just pay the tax or offer (another) low sugar variant. It was already a premium product, so an uplift in price wouldn’t have affected sales much. AIUI, Lucozade used to be the reference drink used for diabetics to get out of hypoglycaemia, but as a result of reformulation it’s now Coca Cola.

[bodhi]

FilH said:

alangla said:

wyson said:

Yes, I can t drink them anymore because I don t do well with the latest generation of sweeteners. Face goes puffy and I get leakage.

I think the original Coke is one of the few that don t. Even full fat Pepsi has Ace K in it.

If you want a proper sugar overload without artificial sweeteners, Irn Bru 1901 is another option, but very expensive. Normal Irn Bru is about as foul and undrinkable as its Diet counterpart these days.

Check out the iCE brand of drinks, they do a proper iron bro rep. Full sugar, and caffine, belive the 1901 doesnt have the caffine like the original did.




Tax is tax , just gutted to get round it the producers reduced sugar and replaced it sweetners making everything taste ste. And to me , become undrinkable.

Ribenna, vimto, robinson squash and all the fizzy cans.

What was missed in all the hullabaloo about yoghurt drinks now being subject to sugar tax after the budget is the fact the Govt changed the limit below which manufacturers don't have to pay the sugar tax. It was 5mg / 100ml which the companies all reformulated their drinks to be under, now that's just been dropped to 4.5 (iirc) which they are all over.

Serves them right tbh, and fair play to Coke for sticking to their guns. Pepsi is still the original recipe out of the guns in pubs, sweetner laded nonsense everywhere else. I used to be firmly on the Pepsi side of the fence, easily getting through 2 - 3 cans a day (I don't drink coffee so need my caffeine elsewhere) - now I've switched fully to Coke.

[FilH]

bodhi said:

Serves them right tbh, and fair play to Coke for sticking to their guns. Pepsi is still the original recipe out of the guns in pubs, sweetner laded nonsense everywhere else. I used to be firmly on the Pepsi side of the fence, easily getting through 2 - 3 cans a day (I don't drink coffee so need my caffeine elsewhere) - now I've switched fully to Coke.

Was the same pepsi all day long, but hope they go bust eventually.

A box of 24 coke is double the price of the sweetner added cans. But still sells.

I know the pub stuff is still full sugar, butwont give them my money, so ill have abeer instead.

Tho the medeling govenments keep pissing about with taxes on that too, that the brewers keep reducing the % and taste with it..

[bodhi]

FilH said:

Was the same pepsi all day long, but hope they go bust eventually.

A box of 24 coke is double the price of the sweetner added cans. But still sells.

I know the pub stuff is still full sugar, butwont give them my money, so ill have abeer instead.

Tho the medeling govenments keep pissing about with taxes on that too, that the brewers keep reducing the % and taste with it..

Aye I refuse to drink the sweetener laden stuff - I remain to be convinced how safe it is and it always gives me a dodgy stomach - hard to explain, but lots of gurgling and generally feeling empty. It still smarts paying over £14 for a 24 pack of Coke rather than 6 or 7 for the chemical stuff, but worth paying imo.

And don't get my started on beer. I've always loved a cold Amstel - got a 4 pack a couple of months ago, got stuck in and thought to myself "this tastes weaker than usual". Looked at the can, ABV down from 4.1 to 3.4. Given the tolerance brewers get in the ABV calculation, it wouldn't surprise me to find out it's barely above 3...

[FilH]

Amazons allways worth a look, as it drops a few quid over the supermarkets

Currently £12.50 for 24 cans.



Didn't realise Amstel had dropped that low!

[Master Bean]

Had this because I thought it was Burns Night but was a bit early. Haven't tried the regular stuff since it changed.

[the-norseman]

Aldi by my work, the Zero/Max alternative to Coke/Pepsi seems to be the same price.