Vegans tricked me into thinking meat is extremely unhealthy
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I'm not American but prior was eating the laughed at SAD (Standard American Diet), than some vegan propaganda came along saying that my lifestyle is extremely unhealthy and to quit meat along with other unhealthy stuff.
So I did...cleaned up my diet,quit ultra processed junk and actually got great results in many areas... So that made me a true believer that yes all animal products are extremely unhealthy since it actually worked for me..
Years went...never got the idea to question this..in the meantime was bombarded in social media about other ridiculous diets, like carnivore for example which is totally opposite and way more ridiculous than vegan... but I saw tons of people having great success with it, couldn't understand how and just shrugged it off...
Than one day, I decided to dig deeper into other fad diets just out of curiosity to try to find anything common..
Guess what ?
All of the top diets I had seen that were actually working had the main thing In common - ditch all ultra processed food/junk and focus on real food as could be found in nature...
Duh...that's when I understood I had been tricked for years,and any that followed same framework would have provided the same effect more or less...
You can usually feel negative symptoms almost right away after eating the ultra processed junk , heavily processed meats/sausage..
but can you actually feel anything bad after eating a piece of meat/fish cooked in healthy way by yourself? I don't feel anything...
So..more digging on this stuff and eventually I found all these 'research' articles that the vegans had used to spread this used research from studies that had lumped all Kinds of meat+junk food together to draw their conclusions.. Or Took data from consumption of heavily processed meat stuff and made it so that all is extremely bad.
Only found a few real studies that had used real unprocessed meat vs no meat , from those you could see your risk of mortality increased from 5% to 6%, but guess what the vegans did?
Presented in a way that you have 20% more chance of dying sooner....instead of 1percent as In the study..
So a lot of cherry picking and presented in a way that suits ones needs and you can get a plausible data to prove almost anything if taken out of context..
Bottom line?
Learn from Idiots like me and use common sense.
So I did...cleaned up my diet,quit ultra processed junk and actually got great results in many areas... So that made me a true believer that yes all animal products are extremely unhealthy since it actually worked for me..
Years went...never got the idea to question this..in the meantime was bombarded in social media about other ridiculous diets, like carnivore for example which is totally opposite and way more ridiculous than vegan... but I saw tons of people having great success with it, couldn't understand how and just shrugged it off...
Than one day, I decided to dig deeper into other fad diets just out of curiosity to try to find anything common..
Guess what ?
All of the top diets I had seen that were actually working had the main thing In common - ditch all ultra processed food/junk and focus on real food as could be found in nature...
Duh...that's when I understood I had been tricked for years,and any that followed same framework would have provided the same effect more or less...
You can usually feel negative symptoms almost right away after eating the ultra processed junk , heavily processed meats/sausage..
but can you actually feel anything bad after eating a piece of meat/fish cooked in healthy way by yourself? I don't feel anything...
So..more digging on this stuff and eventually I found all these 'research' articles that the vegans had used to spread this used research from studies that had lumped all Kinds of meat+junk food together to draw their conclusions.. Or Took data from consumption of heavily processed meat stuff and made it so that all is extremely bad.
Only found a few real studies that had used real unprocessed meat vs no meat , from those you could see your risk of mortality increased from 5% to 6%, but guess what the vegans did?
Presented in a way that you have 20% more chance of dying sooner....instead of 1percent as In the study..
So a lot of cherry picking and presented in a way that suits ones needs and you can get a plausible data to prove almost anything if taken out of context..
Bottom line?
Learn from Idiots like me and use common sense.
ts in the woods?
At least you got there in the end. Most do.
It’s the processed food industry that’s pushing the plant-based propaganda but the money’s shrinking away from that now people are working it out for themselves. People can eat what they want. Everyone of every persuasion will feel better from avoiding crap whether vegan, vegetarian or ominivore.
It’s the processed food industry that’s pushing the plant-based propaganda but the money’s shrinking away from that now people are working it out for themselves. People can eat what they want. Everyone of every persuasion will feel better from avoiding crap whether vegan, vegetarian or ominivore.
DaveGrohl said:
...It’s the processed food industry that’s pushing the plant-based propaganda ....
These 'plant based' products seem to be the same ultra-processed rubbish as cheap burgers, sausages, chicken nuggets, etc. perhaps more so as they put chemicals in it to get the fake textures.Of course the Big Business manufacturers love it as they can sell a cheap veggie mush at a premium price.
There's nothing 'unhealthy' about a piece of meat, after all there's millions of other species on this earth that only eat 'meat'.
You only need to take a look at the traffic light labels and nutritional information on vegan food to see that it doesn't necessarily equate to 'healthy'. The ingredients list doesn't fill me with hope either.
I also can't understand how it's nutritionally (and environmentally) acceptable to some to consume something that has come from a factory where a load of ingredients, preservatives, chemicals and so on are all processed together...just to try and have the same 'effect' as the non-vegan equivalent, be it mayonnaise, meat, fish, honey or whatever.
Like the OP, I'd much rather have a lean beef steak that I've prepared at home than a factory-made one. The key is a balance: couple eating things in moderation with plenty of exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
Otherwise we're technically interfering with mother nature and denying just how everything natural and consumable on this planet benefits our bodies.
Price-wise, it's costly stuff, too.
Anything vegan I consume is likely the occasional treat or out of curiosity, but it needs to be on a decent offer and I won't go out of my way for it.
Quorn nuggets used to be pretty convincing (harking back to the days of a frozen bag for a quid when on offer), as did their mini cocktail sausages. I think they've changed the ini cocktail sausage recipe in recent years so I've avoided altogether, but when they're not on offer they're something like 1,000 times' the price of lamb per kilo. I'm yet to try the Linda McCartney ones.
The Vegetarian Butcher (yes, the language/wording debate is well and truly alive) also did a fairly tasty chicken-free burger last time and only time I tried. It was a pack that had been massively reduced though, otherwise I likely would never have bought it because, pre-COLC/inflation they were already quite pricey.
I also can't understand how it's nutritionally (and environmentally) acceptable to some to consume something that has come from a factory where a load of ingredients, preservatives, chemicals and so on are all processed together...just to try and have the same 'effect' as the non-vegan equivalent, be it mayonnaise, meat, fish, honey or whatever.
Like the OP, I'd much rather have a lean beef steak that I've prepared at home than a factory-made one. The key is a balance: couple eating things in moderation with plenty of exercise and a healthy lifestyle.
Otherwise we're technically interfering with mother nature and denying just how everything natural and consumable on this planet benefits our bodies.
Price-wise, it's costly stuff, too.
Anything vegan I consume is likely the occasional treat or out of curiosity, but it needs to be on a decent offer and I won't go out of my way for it.
Quorn nuggets used to be pretty convincing (harking back to the days of a frozen bag for a quid when on offer), as did their mini cocktail sausages. I think they've changed the ini cocktail sausage recipe in recent years so I've avoided altogether, but when they're not on offer they're something like 1,000 times' the price of lamb per kilo. I'm yet to try the Linda McCartney ones.
The Vegetarian Butcher (yes, the language/wording debate is well and truly alive) also did a fairly tasty chicken-free burger last time and only time I tried. It was a pack that had been massively reduced though, otherwise I likely would never have bought it because, pre-COLC/inflation they were already quite pricey.
Mr E said:
Planet “trolling for a reaction” I suspect.
This. It reads as if its a mash-up from the daily mail and the sun.Veganism isn't about health, environment or anything else - its about animal exploitation.
Plant-based dieters may have convinced you its healthier...
But I suspect the OP knows this - and if we dig far enough probably find out he owns a cattle ranch somewhere.
Edited by NaePasaran on Wednesday 19th July 21:10
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