Oooh - agar agar
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Mobile Chicane

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Friday 13th April 2012
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Currently making Heston's chicken and ham pie, I can completely see why Heston recommends agar-agar flakes for thickening the sauce.

Hell the stuff's expensive at £4.99 for 28g, but it offers a gummy-umami savouriness to the sauce it didn't have before.

Like a roasted veal stock, without the cruelty. (Agar-agar is made from seaweed.)

Go use.

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

215 months

Friday 13th April 2012
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I will try some.

I like arrowroot for the same. Similar?

Let's see a picture of the pie MC!

Mobile Chicane

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Friday 13th April 2012
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Pferdestarke said:
I will try some.

I like arrowroot for the same. Similar?

Let's see a picture of the pie MC!
A project for the morning - a bit pixelated right now - however agar-agar offers a 'savouriness' arrowroot doesn't.

Mobile Chicane

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Saturday 14th April 2012
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Pferdestarke said:
I will try some.

I like arrowroot for the same. Similar?

Let's see a picture of the pie MC!
OK, not going to win any beauty contests since the filling was a bit too wet and bubbled up over the edges of the pastry - but very, very tasty:



The agar agar gives it a veal stock 'gumminess'. lick

Pferdestarke

7,192 posts

215 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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I'm sure it was delicious. Pies should never be entered in to beauty contests.

Off to purchase some now.

Output Flange

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239 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Yeah it's great stuff - also useful to make the liquorice gel for Heston's liquorice salmon recipe.

It seems pricey, but it A box seems to last a while.

Mobile Chicane

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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Output Flange said:
Yeah it's great stuff - also useful to make the liquorice gel for Heston's liquorice salmon recipe.

It seems pricey, but it A box seems to last a while.
Thanks for that - I'll look it up. Sounds interesting.

ETA: Having looked it up I don't think I'd ever be able to get the liquorice gel to 'coat' the salmon, but I might have a stab at jelly cubes to go with it.

An established favourite of mine is foie gras - I know, I know rolleyes - with sauternes jelly, so I'll try the agar agar in that.


Edited by Mobile Chicane on Sunday 15th April 11:50

Output Flange

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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There are two versions of the recipe - use the one from Heston at Home. In fact, that's the only one that uses agar agar.

But it does work - you make the gel separately, then cut out a piece the same size as the salmon and lay it on top. It's actually pretty easy to do - it must be if I can do it!

SVX

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239 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Sounds interesting MC, was this a Waitrose purchase?

At what stage did you add the agar agar to the filling, I'm assuming you pre-cooked it before baking the final pie?

J.
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Mobile Chicane

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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I just added the agar agar to the 'sauce' just as I would have used cornflour, but I followed the instructions on the agar agar packet and not Heston's recipe. I reckon he used more.

'Heston at Home' - ordered.

Shaolin

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217 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Why is it called agar twice?

Output Flange

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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Shaolin said:
Why is it called agar twice?
Because it's that good.

andyroo

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238 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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You bds just cost me £20 on Heston at Home!

Stig

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312 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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it's expensive, but very good. What I really like about it is that it thickens without making the sauce 'floury'.

I did Heston's chicken and ham pie a few weeks ago in conjunction with his pea and ham soup (makes sense to do both at the same time for the ham). The soup was epic, the pie was very good rather than excellent - but that's probably down to the cook ;-)

Output Flange

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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Just in case you're struggling to get agar agar, in his Fat Duck book Heston substitutes it for gellan F and gellan LT100 for the same effect.

hehe

Mobile Chicane

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Sunday 15th April 2012
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Output Flange said:
Just in case you're struggling to get agar agar, in his Fat Duck book Heston substitutes it for gellan F and gellan LT100 for the same effect.

hehe
WTF are they? yikes

I daren't google either lest I get the six o'clock knock for attempting to buy illegal explosives / narcotic-manufacturing equipment wink

The agar agar was with the 'sushi stuff' at Waitrose.

Output Flange

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239 months

Sunday 15th April 2012
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Google throws up an interesting site: ::linky::

Which is SFW.

But going off on a tangent from the OP!

21TonyK

13,233 posts

237 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Cactussed

5,363 posts

241 months

Monday 16th April 2012
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Excellent website, says trade-only though?

21TonyK

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Monday 16th April 2012
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Cactussed said:
Excellent website, says trade-only though?
They'll sell to anyone (or at least they used to). Basically you give them a credit card number and "you're trade" :-)