Just got a new Nautica RIB
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Fricking loads I would imagine. I spend over £70k on new boats every year and some of the shortcuts and shoddy work (admittedly easily fixed) are just terrible.
It will have been sitting in the weather for a while before you took delivery I imagine, hence the rust. Wouldn't happen if they used decent fixings in the first place though.
It will have been sitting in the weather for a while before you took delivery I imagine, hence the rust. Wouldn't happen if they used decent fixings in the first place though.
Rum Runner said:
You want to see it when they cost Millions , it does not get any better , usually worse as there are so many parties involved in a build .
My old man is working on behalf of a client on one of these at the moment. Without going into too many details, his multi £m boat had (unintended) severe hull flex on it's first sea trial. Not good. It shouldn't be the situation where an individual needs to pay for an independent assessment at each stage of the build. Had a sister ship to mine delivered to another opreator recently and on routine inspection they found that no strengthening plates has been fitted in several tanks, not talking about small items here. As with everything, you get what you pay for, unfortunately, by that time the money has been handed over.
Wont even go into electrical systems. Well not in depth. Just a small example. Carrying out some work recently and noticed that the screening on a cable was different colours at each end. On investigation it was found that the builders had forgotten to screen it and had then put a couple of feet of screening on each end so we wouldnt notice, think they would have used the same colour though!!!
And relax.
Wont even go into electrical systems. Well not in depth. Just a small example. Carrying out some work recently and noticed that the screening on a cable was different colours at each end. On investigation it was found that the builders had forgotten to screen it and had then put a couple of feet of screening on each end so we wouldnt notice, think they would have used the same colour though!!!
And relax.
martinmac said:
Had a sister ship to mine delivered to another opreator recently and on routine inspection they found that no strengthening plates has been fitted in several tanks, not talking about small items here. As with everything, you get what you pay for, unfortunately, by that time the money has been handed over.
Wont even go into electrical systems. Well not in depth. Just a small example. Carrying out some work recently and noticed that the screening on a cable was different colours at each end. On investigation it was found that the builders had forgotten to screen it and had then put a couple of feet of screening on each end so we wouldnt notice, think they would have used the same colour though!!!
And relax.
Wont even go into electrical systems. Well not in depth. Just a small example. Carrying out some work recently and noticed that the screening on a cable was different colours at each end. On investigation it was found that the builders had forgotten to screen it and had then put a couple of feet of screening on each end so we wouldnt notice, think they would have used the same colour though!!!
And relax.
Wasn't an Italian built Cruise Ship was it, big money and from experiance still the same problems
On two of my boats customers were complaining that the TV kept going off. Eventually worked out that the wiring which had been used for the electrical sockets was too low a rating. On questioning the builders it turns out that they knew but didn't have any of the higher rated wire available the day they were doing that part of the wiring. Well, that's fine then.
When asked why they used panel pins rather than screws to hold all the wood panelling on to the boat (when we had specifically asked them to use screws) they said that's what they always do. od only knows why as the minute the boat hits the water and starts to flex all of the wood panels start coming off one by one.
Dozens more, but as you say, if I had spent £70k on a car and was finding these faults I'd be pretty hacked off.
The TV one was even more stupid from the builder's perspective because I was so annoyed I made him come up and fix it immediately. 3 guys doing an 800 mile round trip and sleeping overnight in a van to fix something that shouldn't have been wrong in the first place. Idiots.
When asked why they used panel pins rather than screws to hold all the wood panelling on to the boat (when we had specifically asked them to use screws) they said that's what they always do. od only knows why as the minute the boat hits the water and starts to flex all of the wood panels start coming off one by one.
Dozens more, but as you say, if I had spent £70k on a car and was finding these faults I'd be pretty hacked off.
The TV one was even more stupid from the builder's perspective because I was so annoyed I made him come up and fix it immediately. 3 guys doing an 800 mile round trip and sleeping overnight in a van to fix something that shouldn't have been wrong in the first place. Idiots.
Rum Runner said:
You want to see it when they cost Millions , it does not get any better , usually worse as there are so many parties involved in a build .
Seconded, it can be very hard to keep a track of part sourcing from external suppliers when there are so many involved. you have to get a good PDI and handover you shouldn't take delivery before your 100% happy and certainly don't hand over the last lump of cash until your smiling....You should try stainless steel, guard rails etc on Taiwanese boats, magnets stick to them and you can watch it rust in front of your eyes , bit like a 70's Italian car. I ran one boat which was 5 month old and riddled with osmosis and it cost £2 Mil and had over 30 voids in the fly bridge deck and they where on average the size of the palm of your hand. Very good friend runs a £30 Mil powerboat which had to go back into the yard to be painted 6 months after it was built as the gel coat was staining ,some sort of reaction with the release agent .In the process of the repaint there was accident in the yard and somebody died , this again the coast of shoddy work.
One problem with some custom builds is to much owner input which creates utter havoc , or more so the owners wife .
Another Major issue is lots of people designing and building these boats have never spent anytime at sea .
Boats also are sometimes designed by people who sail but then design a boat with there values in mind , which can be useless if the boat is intended for a different climate .I have seen boats designed for the charter or Caribbean market , which are utterly useless because designers based them on there experience say in U.K or Northern France.
Also when you look at the build of some of the modern boats it is very slight and people are adventuring further from home than ever before in sail boats say 40ft and above, when you look at some of the major components, steering gear, keel boxes etc its a bit if a worry .
One problem with some custom builds is to much owner input which creates utter havoc , or more so the owners wife .
Another Major issue is lots of people designing and building these boats have never spent anytime at sea .
Boats also are sometimes designed by people who sail but then design a boat with there values in mind , which can be useless if the boat is intended for a different climate .I have seen boats designed for the charter or Caribbean market , which are utterly useless because designers based them on there experience say in U.K or Northern France.
Also when you look at the build of some of the modern boats it is very slight and people are adventuring further from home than ever before in sail boats say 40ft and above, when you look at some of the major components, steering gear, keel boxes etc its a bit if a worry .
Rum Runner said:
You should try stainless steel, guard rails etc on Taiwanese boats, magnets stick to them and you can watch it rust in front of your eyes , bit like a 70's Italian car. I ran one boat which was 5 month old and riddled with osmosis and it cost £2 Mil and had over 30 voids in the fly bridge deck and they where on average the size of the palm of your hand. Very good friend runs a £30 Mil powerboat which had to go back into the yard to be painted 6 months after it was built as the gel coat was staining ,some sort of reaction with the release agent .In the process of the repaint there was accident in the yard and somebody died , this again the coast of shoddy work.
One problem with some custom builds is to much owner input which creates utter havoc , or more so the owners wife .
Another Major issue is lots of people designing and building these boats have never spent anytime at sea .
Boats also are sometimes designed by people who sail but then design a boat with there values in mind , which can be useless if the boat is intended for a different climate .I have seen boats designed for the charter or Caribbean market , which are utterly useless because designers based them on there experience say in U.K or Northern France.
Also when you look at the build of some of the modern boats it is very slight and people are adventuring further from home than ever before in sail boats say 40ft and above, when you look at some of the major components, steering gear, keel boxes etc its a bit if a worry .
MMM release agent probably zyvax can cause pre release and shift of the gel coat. £30 mil glass boat, what make? I thought this would have been in the Heesen price bracket (Ali construction).One problem with some custom builds is to much owner input which creates utter havoc , or more so the owners wife .
Another Major issue is lots of people designing and building these boats have never spent anytime at sea .
Boats also are sometimes designed by people who sail but then design a boat with there values in mind , which can be useless if the boat is intended for a different climate .I have seen boats designed for the charter or Caribbean market , which are utterly useless because designers based them on there experience say in U.K or Northern France.
Also when you look at the build of some of the modern boats it is very slight and people are adventuring further from home than ever before in sail boats say 40ft and above, when you look at some of the major components, steering gear, keel boxes etc its a bit if a worry .
I engineered large sail and power boats for 8 years, keeping in the 140-160 footers usually.
Highly automated uber luxury sailing yachts.
Italian built, furling rigs run by hydraulics, controlled by ECUs.
Every new build was a prototype...
Elecronics (labelled in Italian) + High voltage A/C + Hydraulics + Salt water = an engineers nightmare for years to come.
But the most annoying thing which IS relevant to the OP was a 240' stink pot I worked on which was all alloy.
Pity they didn't know anything about cathodic potential AT ALL and rammed stainless steel screws of the lowest quality all through it.
All the deck light fittings, 200+ of them, needed the screws drilled out and retapped..and as 2nd engineer it became my problem!
It was like a big 1980's fiat.
Highly automated uber luxury sailing yachts.
Italian built, furling rigs run by hydraulics, controlled by ECUs.
Every new build was a prototype...
Elecronics (labelled in Italian) + High voltage A/C + Hydraulics + Salt water = an engineers nightmare for years to come.
But the most annoying thing which IS relevant to the OP was a 240' stink pot I worked on which was all alloy.
Pity they didn't know anything about cathodic potential AT ALL and rammed stainless steel screws of the lowest quality all through it.
All the deck light fittings, 200+ of them, needed the screws drilled out and retapped..and as 2nd engineer it became my problem!
It was like a big 1980's fiat.
Edited by WonderBrumby on Monday 10th December 01:40
ben said:
Just to get back to the topic....
The bloody prop shaft just fell off, the UJ is mangled!
Lasted about a week of use.
It really is going back now and will be replaced by something else.
The whole propshaft?!?!?! Bloody hell. Get well rid. We've had propellors falling off before but not propshafts.The bloody prop shaft just fell off, the UJ is mangled!
Lasted about a week of use.
It really is going back now and will be replaced by something else.
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