Red Arrows mistake

[PinkTornado]

Someone went the wrong way during the 'heart' manoeuvre at Torbay the other day. Laughed off by the commentator, but...

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=1019249907076697

[Simpo Two]

'Oh you meant the other left...'

Oops.

[glennjamin]

We were there both planes did lefthand side of heart, Red 10 seemed a bit pissed !! Bet the debrief was interesting ! Guess as the show was out in the bay risk of life was low but still don't expect this from Red Arrows.

[Petrus1983]

Ironically they did a fly past on Sunday in Bradford on Avon to be a fly on the wall in the debrief

[PinkTornado]

I wanted to be careful with my wording and not be an armchair expert or anything in posting this, but surely the guys who perform the heart ALWAYS go the same ways- one left, one right- so for one to do the opposite..! We won't know their true separation and all that, but on paper, that's two guys trying to do the same thing in the same piece of sky. Not good.

[48k]

That's a pretty major feck up.
Serious meeting, no tea and biscuits after that one.
You can't do these things half hearted.

[Petrus1983]

48k said:

That's a pretty major feck up.
Serious meeting, no tea and biscuits after that one.
You can't do these things half hearted.

[normalbloke]

I’m impressed it took more than two posts for the biscuit comment to appear..

[Eric Mc]

Don't forget that it was a "heart" manoeuver going wrong that was at the core of the Ramstein Airshow disaster in 1988.

I know it was a different mistake but mistakes during formation aerobatic displays can have tragic consequences.

[zsdom]

PinkTornado said:

I wanted to be careful with my wording and not be an armchair expert or anything in posting this, but surely the guys who perform the heart ALWAYS go the same ways- one left, one right- so for one to do the opposite..! We won't know their true separation and all that, but on paper, that's two guys trying to do the same thing in the same piece of sky. Not good.

The heart is essentially a loop, it’s only on the flat/rolling display does one go left & the other right

They fly vertical and whilst climbing one rolls so they are belly to belly then they both pull back and commence their descent, one pilot just didnt roll, you can see that seperation was maintained, there was nothing unsafe about what happened, it just looked stupid, the pilot will have had a dressing down, it’ll be debriefed properly, the pilot probably wont live it down & be ribbed for the remainder if his time on the reds

[PinkTornado]

zsdom said:

The heart is essentially a loop, it s only on the flat/rolling display does one go left & the other right

Point is they should go separate ways, and didn't.

[GliderRider]

A pretty half-hearted attempt

[Familymad]

I never fail to be impressed by Dad humour. It’s what made me laugh, as a kid and in the car, with the old man driving our Audi 80. Happier days!

[5150]

Put this to a friend of mine (former Red Arrow). . . here's his response:

"There’ll have been a good reason for the non-Heart (eg warning light / bird strike etc). Sequencing / position errors just don’t happen . . doing the right thing at the right moment is absolutely critical to everyone’s safety (obviously)"

[normalbloke]

5150 said:

Put this to a friend of mine (former Red Arrow). . . here's his response:

"There ll have been a good reason for the non-Heart (eg warning light / bird strike etc). Sequencing / position errors just don t happen . . doing the right thing at the right moment is absolutely critical to everyone s safety (obviously)"

Yet they do.

[Hill92]

The Heart is flown by the Synchro Pair so Reds 6 and 7.

This season's Red 6 was Red 7 last year. Maybe he fell back on last season's role rather than his new role?

[Ledaig]

They do appear to be passing through some light patchy cloud at the point the break would have occurred. They may have maintained the relative attitude to each other to ensure continued visibility and safety due to this.

[Petrus1983]

Hill92 said:

The Heart is flown by the Synchro Pair so Reds 6 and 7.

This season's Red 6 was Red 7 last year. Maybe he fell back on last season's role rather than his new role?

All jokes aside - I feel sorry for the guy that screwed up.

[PinkTornado]

Not buying it I'm afraid- if the errant jet had such a reason to abandon the formation, why initially fly the same pattern as his opposite?