Why aren't there more monorails in the UK?

Why aren't there more monorails in the UK?

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heisthegaffer

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3,647 posts

205 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Was just reading some of the thread on opening old railway lines in Wales and wondered why we don't have more monorails that are elevated rather than buying expensive land for railway lines?

We could use them as branch lines etc

SpudLink

6,435 posts

199 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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12TS

2,002 posts

217 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Too expensive, they're bespoke and don't have any big supply chain behind them to cut costs. Docklands Light Railway is a bit similar, but that was a child which was born in different times.

essayer

9,605 posts

201 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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I'd prefer a skyscraper made of lollipop sticks, a 50-foot magnifying glass or an escalator to nowhere

2xChevrons

3,522 posts

87 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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There is no national/international standard for monorail so virtually all the infrastructure and rolling stock has to be bespoke. Even if you copy an existing system design it won't have economy of scale in comparison to mass-produced steel rail and concrete or steel sleepers, ballast etc.

Monorail systems aren't compatible with 'traditional' rail, so are immediately restricted to branch/shuttle services. You also need bespoke maintenance and servicing facilities.

There is no simple and cost-effective way of making points/switches for monorail and system designers put a lot of effort into minimising them. This makes monorails best suited to simple shuttle or loop systems, not a diverse multi-path network like traditional rail. That immediately puts limits on service patterns and frequency.

Monorails do not save much in construction costs over conventional rail. The track is much more expensive per mile. The track may be elevated but you still need to acquire the land or the rights to run it across. If you build them above public roads you commit to following the curves, humps and bumps of the road, limiting the maximum speed and turning your monorail into a more expensive and less flexible bus.

Reinstating abandoned heavy rail (with modern light or basic rail) is still the most cost-effective solution if rail has to be the answer. Monorail do have use cases as mass transit in urban areas but not as rural branch lines.

grumbledoak

31,840 posts

240 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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essayer said:
I'd prefer a skyscraper made of lollipop sticks, a 50-foot magnifying glass or an escalator to nowhere
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littleredrooster

5,700 posts

203 months

Tuesday 2nd April
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Did you mean why aren't there more more monorails?

heisthegaffer

Original Poster:

3,647 posts

205 months

Wednesday 3rd April
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littleredrooster said:
Did you mean why aren't there more more monorails?
I did indeed.

Thanks for the responses people.

IJWS15

1,935 posts

92 months

Thursday 4th April
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How do you evacuate passengers from an elevated monorail when it fails?


SpudLink

6,435 posts

199 months

Thursday 4th April
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IJWS15 said:
How do you evacuate passengers from an elevated monorail when it fails?
Like this...

GliderRider

2,527 posts

88 months

Thursday 4th April
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IJWS15 said:
How do you evacuate passengers from an elevated monorail when it fails?
Ask Derek & Clive

NSFW

ARHarh

4,276 posts

114 months

Thursday 4th April
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There is one up the lane from here. Might not win many awards for passenger comfort, and it not quite in Wales, but it used to be in Wales.

https://www.tanatvalleyrailway.co.uk/monorail

dudleybloke

20,471 posts

193 months

Thursday 4th April
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There used to be one at the Merry Hill shopping centre but it closed down years ago, was never working whenever I went there.

FourWheelDrift

89,606 posts

291 months

Thursday 4th April
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Instead of a monorail What about an elevated railway instead?

This one was built in 1897 and is still in use today.


croyde

23,901 posts

237 months

Thursday 4th April
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SpudLink said:
IJWS15 said:
How do you evacuate passengers from an elevated monorail when it fails?
Like this...
You were very quick with that, nice one smile

smn159

13,400 posts

224 months

Thursday 4th April
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FourWheelDrift said:
Instead of a monorail What about an elevated railway instead?

This one was built in 1897 and is still in use today.

I've been on that!!

Evanivitch

22,056 posts

129 months

Thursday 4th April
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The main issue is NIMBYism.

Just consider how much of HS2 has been buried to protect NIMBYs from their view. A monorail (or even a raised railway on concrete pillars, like in much of China's network), is actually a fairly modular and simple way to build light rail (I.e. foundation and pillar heights are adjusted for topography, track bed is modular and standardised). But it puts the tracks at height, and no one will agree to that.

Consider some cities with their raised railway systems. You see very little of that in the UK.

Eric Mc

122,854 posts

272 months

Thursday 4th April
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Should the thread tile actually be "Why AREN'T there more monorails in the UK?".

Evanivitch

22,056 posts

129 months

Thursday 4th April
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FourWheelDrift said:
Instead of a monorail What about an elevated railway instead?

This one was built in 1897 and is still in use today.

And yet Maglev never (to any great extent) happened.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transrapid

generationx

7,496 posts

112 months

Thursday 4th April
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smn159 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
Instead of a monorail What about an elevated railway instead?

This one was built in 1897 and is still in use today.

I've been on that!!
As recent as 1999



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