Aircraft tries short take off - Does not to accordingly

[Brother D]

Pilot takes wrong runway entry shortening the available take-off distance considerably. Tries to take off from there regardless

For sure career-limiting decision as even the tower questioned it... Could have been a lot worst, but got to wonder if that might be a hull loss?

[LHRFlightman]

Reminds me of the Jet Airways (777?) that almost took out the lights after trying to do a 2000m take off at Heathrow.

Intersection departures eh!

[djc206]

Having been challenged over the distance they had available/needed and then still almost killing themselves and everyone else rather than taking up the offer of a backtrack there’s got to be severe ramifications. Be interesting to hear the chat within the cockpit.

[bitchstewie]

https://mentourpilot.com/accident-air-serbia-embra...

[MB140]

djc206 said:

Having been challenged over the distance they had available/needed and then still almost killing themselves and everyone else rather than taking up the offer of a backtrack there’s got to be severe ramifications. Be interesting to hear the chat within the cockpit.

How on earth have they managed to f this that badly. Not familiar with Embraer aircraft but most aircraft you can put the weight, the temp, available runway, winds etc in to the FMC (Flight Management Computer) and it will tell you power settings to take off or if it’s not possible.

Even the old 707 I did all my military flying on the engineer took out a laptop with us and he could quickly put all the details in to the laptop (30 second task) and it would tell you if you could take off or not.

I do wonder sometimes how these people get to the point of being pilots let alone captains n commercial aviation. Some of the air crash investigations show some shocking decisions.

[Mabbs9]

That's horrible. Hard to see any mitigating factors there.

[carreauchompeur]

“Should be ok” kind of decision making. This is why I’m not a pilot

[Crumpet]

I work with some Serbian pilots. They have a different mentality to northern and southern European people.

Pro-Russia and everything is a conspiracy. Not a fan.

[djc206]

Crumpet said:

I work with some Serbian pilots. They have a different mentality to northern and southern European people.

Pro-Russia and everything is a conspiracy. Not a fan.

Were the pilots Serbian? The comments on the mentour link above suggest it was a wet lease from a Danish airline

[MarkwG]

djc206 said:

Crumpet said:

I work with some Serbian pilots. They have a different mentality to northern and southern European people.

Pro-Russia and everything is a conspiracy. Not a fan.

Were the pilots Serbian? The comments on the mentour link above suggest it was a wet lease from a Danish airline

Captain was Italian, First Officer, Polish as I understand it.

[Crumpet]

djc206 said:

Crumpet said:

I work with some Serbian pilots. They have a different mentality to northern and southern European people.

Pro-Russia and everything is a conspiracy. Not a fan.

Were the pilots Serbian? The comments on the mentour link above suggest it was a wet lease from a Danish airline

Ah! Good point - I should’ve watched it properly! OY registered and the crew accent could pass as Danish.

Strange decision making, even after the warning from ATC. Some sloppy radio work as well - acknowledging a line up clearance with just your call sign.

I should qualify my original remark; I wasn’t suggesting Serbian crew are unsafe, just that they’re very strong personalities.

[gotoPzero]

Holy smokes. Every person on that plane was lucky to get out alive - that damage to the fuse... jeez.

The ATC guy knew what was up. I guess its one of those situations where confirmation bias can kill you!

[aeropilot]

MarkwG said:

djc206 said:

Crumpet said:

I work with some Serbian pilots. They have a different mentality to northern and southern European people.

Pro-Russia and everything is a conspiracy. Not a fan.

Were the pilots Serbian? The comments on the mentour link above suggest it was a wet lease from a Danish airline

Captain was Italian, First Officer, Polish as I understand it.

Yep.
Being operated by Greek airline Marathon for Air Serbia......who have since now terminated contract with Marathon after this incident.

Italian Captain in his late 50's so likely that was his last commercial flight.

FO may be looking for a new career as well.

[Muddle238]

That is unforgivable. Taking the wrong intersection is one thing, continuing with after ATC bring it to your attention and then go on to have a runway excursion is beyond unacceptable.

[Kiribati268]

In aviation when someone questions it, check it. When it's questioned more than once then something is definitely wrong. The problem is that it was questioned by ATC more than once and they went along with it anyway.

Thankfully Embraers are very overpowered, which as fun fact the E290 has the same engines as a 32N.

Surely it's got to be a case of... it'll be reet, and it wasn't. An intersection TO will be briefed and the performance inputted into the FMC but they deviated..
My guess is they took the wrong intersection and rather than admit the mistake they decided to cover it up and go for it.

Pure negligence from the crew, something that's almost gone from the industry.

Edited by Kiribati268 on Monday 26th February 23:04

[Royal Jelly]

Hard to grasp the level of complacency and professional incompetence in that one. As above, we’re all (as pilots) susceptible to making a mistake but if I ever received such a query from either ATC or my colleagues it would really get my spidey senses tingling and a very methodical check and double-check would follow.

Unbelievable.

[Katzenjammer]

Criminal levels of negligence from those cowboys. Absolutely unforgivable.

[croyde]

Have you had any claims in the past 5 years