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Yea, sucks for him. But having watched him completely ruin the boat through a total lack of understanding and in many cases total idiocy around what he was doing, it was kind of inevitable. Upside is no one got hurt, as judging by the way he was carrying on with it, that was just a matter of time. So in some respects he got lucky, just hasn’t realised it yet.
dvs_dave said:
Yea, sucks for him. But having watched him completely ruin the boat through a total lack of understanding and in many cases total idiocy around what he was doing, it was kind of inevitable. Upside is no one got hurt, as judging by the way he was carrying on with it, that was just a matter of time. So in some respects he got lucky, just hasn’t realised it yet.
Yeah I enjoyed watching it but he made many very questionable decisions both in terms of the boat build and his seamanship.dvs_dave said:
Yea, sucks for him. But having watched him completely ruin the boat through a total lack of understanding and in many cases total idiocy around what he was doing, it was kind of inevitable. Upside is no one got hurt, as judging by the way he was carrying on with it, that was just a matter of time. So in some respects he got lucky, just hasn’t realised it yet.
Agree. I think he was offered a fair bit of knowledgeable advice but took none of it. I guess there isn't the equivalent of an MOT for boats.
Uuuum, not seen the build videos. Just watched the two recover videos & read the above.
He comes across as inexperienced, but also not recognizing that as a factor….
A lot of talk on freezing water breaking thing, bilges pumps frozen. I’m not sure about that myself, with it being in salt water.
The boats been left afloat with the raw water inlets open, one of which doesn’t work, stuck open. Pretty vital to have functioning inlet shut offs. Which is a fault he seemed to be aware of before the event.
My guess would be not shutting off water inlets, small leaks already there, bilge pumps did work but only until batteries were flat.
I could be wrong, maybe it was cold enough to freeze salt water…. But even then when it flowed into the boat unfrozen, the bilge pumps wouldn’t be frozen when immersed in non frozen water. Even if the raw water filter cracked from freezing, with the inlets closed it wouldn’t have sunk.
I’m also surprised to see the lack of desire to get it onto land to clean up and replace the stuck water inlet.
He comes across as inexperienced, but also not recognizing that as a factor….
A lot of talk on freezing water breaking thing, bilges pumps frozen. I’m not sure about that myself, with it being in salt water.
The boats been left afloat with the raw water inlets open, one of which doesn’t work, stuck open. Pretty vital to have functioning inlet shut offs. Which is a fault he seemed to be aware of before the event.
My guess would be not shutting off water inlets, small leaks already there, bilge pumps did work but only until batteries were flat.
I could be wrong, maybe it was cold enough to freeze salt water…. But even then when it flowed into the boat unfrozen, the bilge pumps wouldn’t be frozen when immersed in non frozen water. Even if the raw water filter cracked from freezing, with the inlets closed it wouldn’t have sunk.
I’m also surprised to see the lack of desire to get it onto land to clean up and replace the stuck water inlet.
Edited by CaiosH on Tuesday 30th January 00:44
CaiosH said:
Uuuum, not seen the build videos. Just watched the two recover videos & read the above.
He comes across as inexperienced, but also not recognizing that as a factor….
A lot of talk on freezing water breaking thing, bilges pumps frozen. I’m not sure about that myself, with it being in salt water.
The boats been left afloat with the raw water inlets open, one of which doesn’t work, stuck open. Pretty vital to have functioning inlet shut offs. Which is a fault he seemed to be aware of before the event.
My guess would be not shutting off water inlets, small leaks already there, bilge pumps did work but only until batteries were flat.
I could be wrong, maybe it was cold enough to freeze salt water…. But even then when it flowed into the boat unfrozen, the bilge pumps wouldn’t be frozen when immersed in non frozen water. Even if the raw water filter cracked from freezing, with the inlets closed it wouldn’t have sunk.
I’m also surprised to see the lack of desire to get it onto land to clean up and replace the stuck water inlet.
Salt water still freezes - look at our polar ice caps...He comes across as inexperienced, but also not recognizing that as a factor….
A lot of talk on freezing water breaking thing, bilges pumps frozen. I’m not sure about that myself, with it being in salt water.
The boats been left afloat with the raw water inlets open, one of which doesn’t work, stuck open. Pretty vital to have functioning inlet shut offs. Which is a fault he seemed to be aware of before the event.
My guess would be not shutting off water inlets, small leaks already there, bilge pumps did work but only until batteries were flat.
I could be wrong, maybe it was cold enough to freeze salt water…. But even then when it flowed into the boat unfrozen, the bilge pumps wouldn’t be frozen when immersed in non frozen water. Even if the raw water filter cracked from freezing, with the inlets closed it wouldn’t have sunk.
I’m also surprised to see the lack of desire to get it onto land to clean up and replace the stuck water inlet.
Edited by CaiosH on Tuesday 30th January 00:44
Seems there is an issue with getting it out of the water at that marina - they can't do any fuel work there for example (fuel tanks do need to be drained) He did mention that a good number of other boat oweners had suffered as well.
ChocolateFrog said:
Is it not standard practice to have check valves in those raw water feeds?
Seems from reading the comments that he should have filled the cooling system with antifreeze at the end of the season.
Maybe I'm missing the point completely here but...Seems from reading the comments that he should have filled the cooling system with antifreeze at the end of the season.
The direction of flow in the raw water would be the same pre-failure as post failure so any check valve would have been open regardless
Raw water is just that, straight out of of the estuary to an open system so how would you 'fill with antifreeze', unless they mean shutting the raw water feed off then filling, in which case why not just drain it
Also, is it still salt water at the point, didn't it take a full day to get out to the actual sea in another video
simon_harris said:
Salt water still freezes - look at our polar ice caps...
Seems there is an issue with getting it out of the water at that marina - they can't do any fuel work there for example (fuel tanks do need to be drained) He did mention that a good number of other boat oweners had suffered as well.
I looked it up, its actually not that much lower than fresh water. Which surprises me, living by the sea and seeing fresh water frozen a lot and never salt water, had given me different impression. Seems there is an issue with getting it out of the water at that marina - they can't do any fuel work there for example (fuel tanks do need to be drained) He did mention that a good number of other boat oweners had suffered as well.
But I stand by, if the inlets had been closed it wouldn’t of sunk. I’ve made the mistake myself, forgetting to close the inlets and coming back to see the boat low in the marina. It one of the boat owner things you only forget once….:-)
LastPoster said:
The direction of flow in the raw water would be the same pre-failure as post failure so any check valve would have been open regardless
There will be a seacock (valve) where the raw water inlet joins to the hull skin. You close it in freezing weather so that if water freezes inside and cracks it, the boat hopefully doesn't sink.LastPoster said:
Raw water is just that, straight out of of the estuary to an open system so how would you 'fill with antifreeze', unless they mean shutting the raw water feed off then filling, in which case why not just drain it
Exactly that. The expert's trick is to run the engine with the raw water inlet in a bucket of antifreeze and wait until it comes out of the exhaust. Personally I use heaters - much easier (as long as you have shore power).Unfortunately boats aren't like cars when it comes to winter.
LastPoster said:
Maybe I'm missing the point completely here but...
The direction of flow in the raw water would be the same pre-failure as post failure so any check valve would have been open regardless
Raw water is just that, straight out of of the estuary to an open system so how would you 'fill with antifreeze', unless they mean shutting the raw water feed off then filling, in which case why not just drain it
Also, is it still salt water at the point, didn't it take a full day to get out to the actual sea in another video
You close the raw water inlets, then you can disconnect the pipes. Put them in a bucket of anti-freeze and run the boat.The direction of flow in the raw water would be the same pre-failure as post failure so any check valve would have been open regardless
Raw water is just that, straight out of of the estuary to an open system so how would you 'fill with antifreeze', unless they mean shutting the raw water feed off then filling, in which case why not just drain it
Also, is it still salt water at the point, didn't it take a full day to get out to the actual sea in another video
I’ve got a T piece on mine with a hose attachment to make it easier. So just close the raw water inlet, attach a hose, put the other end of the hose in a bucket of anti-freeze mix. Run the boat up until the thermostats open.
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