Wagner Air Accident IL-76

[JohnCarlisleApeiron]

https://www.reddit.com/r/UkraineWarVideoReport/com...

Any learned individuals care to comment on the total disaster of a landing. To me it looks like he came in too late, but should still have been able to stop on the grass. It seems like bottled it, tried to abort, and stalled.

Am I doing this right?

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[Wacky Racer]

Brake pipes tampered with?

The plane landed almost at the end of the runway it looks like.

[magpie215]

Without seeing the approach its pure guess work.

But looks like landed long and fast.

Doesn't appear to have a lot of flap selected.

[aeropilot]

magpie215 said:

Without seeing the approach its pure guess work.

But looks like landed long and fast.

Doesn't appear to have a lot of flap selected.

Looking at the touchdown point on the video, and looking across from that point to some reference points with other stuff off the side of the runway, and looking on Google Earth, a/c appears to have touched down more than half way down the runway, which is only 2500m..........how on earth a go-around wasn't initiated even before touching the wheels down is astonishing......unless, they already had a technical issue that meant they had a one shot only attempt at this, and got it wrong in a spectacular fashion.....!!

Also, it seems Il-76 was an ex-Wagner aircraft, and had been 'transferred' to the Mali Airforce the week before <cough>

[GliderRider]

The approach seemed fast and very 'nose low', with almost no flare. To touch down that far down the runway without initiating a 'go around' suggests problems with the aircraft or in the cockpit.

Some similarities apparent to the 2015 Bin Laden family Phenom crash at Blackbushe.

[CanAm]

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[swampy442]

Yootoob link :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T34HJJ0uYq0



He was too long, too fast, didnt appear to use thrust reverse either, strange.

[dudleybloke]

Wonder if it was overweight.

[swampy442]

More stuff here :-

https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/il-76-cargo-...

[Simpo Two]

swampy442 said:

Yootoob link :-

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T34HJJ0uYq0


He was too long, too fast, didnt appear to use thrust reverse either, strange.

Tailwind? But even so something isn't adding up.

[GliderRider]

For comparison, here is an Ilyushin Il-76 landing at Farnborough.

Il-76 landing at Farnborough

Note:

• Increased angle of attack before touchdown
• Deployment of spoilers from top surface of wing
• Use of reverse thrust to assist braking

The fact that none of these happened in the Mali case, plus landing long and no apparent attempt to go around, suggests the problem was something wrong in the cockpit, more than problems with the aircraft itself.

Edited by GliderRider on Thursday 28th September 15:30

[Eric Mc]

Are there supposed to be video links with these posts?

[GliderRider]

Eric Mc said:

Are there supposed to be video links with these posts?

Errr... Yes. Link now added Eric.

[Voldemort]

Are we allowed to post videos of plane crashes now?

Somebody had a right paddy when a B17 and P63 crashed in Dallas and got the mods to pull all links.

A little consistency would be nice...

[Riley Blue]

Voldemort said:

Are we allowed to post videos of plane crashes now?

Somebody had a right paddy when a B17 and P63 crashed in Dallas and got the mods to pull all links.

A little consistency would be nice...

I was accused of that though all I did was ask the same question that you have about posting crash videos.

[GliderRider]

Voldemort said:

Are we allowed to post videos of plane crashes now?

Somebody had a right paddy when a B17 and P63 crashed in Dallas and got the mods to pull all links.

A little consistency would be nice...

There do seem to be double standards on providing links to crash videos, and not just on Pistonheads. The determining factor seems to be whether any native English speakers were harmed.
IMHO, a link to a video which doesn't show the actual victims should be acceptable for the purposes of understanding what happened. Gratuitous blood and gore and bodies is just ghoulish and should be avoided, whether in links or otherwise.

[thewarlock]

Systems problem? Lack of hydraulic pressure to actuate flaps etc?

It all looks very wrong, so I'm guessing there is an underlying problem and not just poor flying

[aeropilot]

thewarlock said:

Systems problem? Lack of hydraulic pressure to actuate flaps etc?

It all looks very wrong, so I'm guessing there is an underlying problem and not just poor flying

While the flaps don't look fully deployed, there are video's on youtube showing Il-76's landing without full flap deployment, but still with the wing top spoilers being deployed.....so maybe there was a fault.

I'm still inclined to think it was a cockpit issue, given how far down the runway they touched down.

[JohnCarlisleApeiron]

Eric Mc said:

Are there supposed to be video links with these posts?

Sorry, it was removed for supposedly being off topic, in relation to the war in Ukraine.