F35B crash landing and ejection

F35B crash landing and ejection

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CloudStuff

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Thursday 15th December 2022
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2fast748

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202 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Came here to post that. Strange crash, the whole thing seemed to happen slowly.

Petrus1983

9,825 posts

169 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude. I’m sure he survived but probably bruised. Not sure why the pointy end went down like that - but overall is a bit embarrassing.

16v_paddy

361 posts

199 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude. I’m sure he survived but probably bruised. Not sure why the pointy end went down like that - but overall is a bit embarrassing.
I'm assuming the lift fan crapped itself and 100% of the thrust of the engine was coming out of the back with the nozzle pointed straight down so it's only ever going 1 way, so with it basically being out of control why the f would you NOT eject?

Tony1963

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169 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude. I’m sure he survived but probably bruised. Not sure why the pointy end went down like that - but overall is a bit embarrassing.
Are you saying you don’t know enough about the subject in general and what happened here, or that you think the pilot ejected unnecessarily?

williamp

19,555 posts

280 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude. I’m sure he survived but probably bruised. Not sure why the pointy end went down like that - but overall is a bit embarrassing.
Huge amounts of v flammable fuel, possibly explosive missiles... and training instinct to get as far away from there as possible...???

But yes it looks like something broke after it bounced up..

Dingu

4,345 posts

37 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude. I’m sure he survived but probably bruised. Not sure why the pointy end went down like that - but overall is a bit embarrassing.
Would be interested in what you would have posted if he hadn’t ejected and it had gone up in flames or similar. Perhaps why the f didn’t he eject.

gotoPzero

18,164 posts

196 months

Thursday 15th December 2022
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There is talk it was an automated ejection. Either way, it was a hard hit to snap the gear like that.

Mave

8,209 posts

222 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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That was my first thought. Aircraft starts pitching nose down in the hover = bad. Aircraft has auto eject for when things go bad in hover mode...

MB140

4,355 posts

110 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Yeah the f35 has an auto ejection function in the event of lift fan failure. It was deemed during design that if the fan went Pete tong, things would happen so fast that the pilot couldn’t react in time.

eharding

14,147 posts

291 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Why the f eject from a stationary plane at zero altitude.
Here is the contact page for Martin Baker.

You should phone them up and explain why all that effort and expense of developing zero-zero seats was a waste of time.

Something was clearly very wrong with that aeroplane when the pilot left it, and it looks like the ejection was delayed until it had regained a reasonably upright attitude to give the seat the best chance of working.

Edited by eharding on Friday 16th December 07:10

Mave

8,209 posts

222 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Whilst I love the Harrier, as the STOVL predecessor to the F35B, taking a look at it's accident rate is quite sobering

https://military-history.fandom.com/wiki/List_of_H...

Bill

54,221 posts

262 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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eharding said:
Here is the contact page for Martin Baker.

You should phone them up and explain why all that effort and expense of developing zero-zero seats was a waste of time.

Something was clearly very wrong with that aeroplane when the pilot left it, and it looks like the ejection was delayed until it had regained a reasonably upright attitude to give the seat the best chance of working.
I was wondering why he delayed so long, I'd have been yanking on the handle way before it ejected begging the sodding thing to let me out! hehe

Boom78

1,325 posts

55 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Despite this video it’s quite amazing how reliable the F35B has been, to say it’s hugely complex would be an understatement, only a few have had issues yet they’ve racked up thousands and thousands of hours of flight time, take offs, landings plus all the active carrier duties. A proper feat of engineering.

Kuwahara

1,029 posts

25 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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If it wasn’t an auto eject that pilot played a blinder ,it’s like he waited until the aircraft was back on a flat plane and then eject and not come out side ways so to speak….

Mave

8,209 posts

222 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Kuwahara said:
If it wasn’t an auto eject that pilot played a blinder ,it’s like he waited until the aircraft was back on a flat plane and then eject and not come out side ways so to speak….
That was always a problem with the harrier - it had a nasty tendency to roll over in the hover frown

TGCOTF-dewey

5,853 posts

62 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Does ejection trigger a kill switch for the engine?

Petrus1983

9,825 posts

169 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Morning happy campers.

My question regarding the ejection was owing to the known dangers of ejecting at low level, the physical damage and the subsequent chances of flying again.

https://www.atlas-blue.com/can-a-pilot-fly-again-a...

Eric Mc

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272 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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Petrus1983 said:
Morning happy campers.

My question regarding the ejection was owing to the known dangers of ejecting at low level, the physical damage and the subsequent chances of flying again.

https://www.atlas-blue.com/can-a-pilot-fly-again-a...
Modern seats are Zero-Zero which work pretty effectively, provided the plane is pointing in the right direction when the seat fires. It's often the best option when the aircraft is behaving unpredictably or likely to blow up etc.

Mave

8,209 posts

222 months

Friday 16th December 2022
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TGCOTF-dewey said:
Does ejection trigger a kill switch for the engine?
I don't know, but I doubt it. You wouldn't want a false signal shutting down a working engine (especially single engine STOVL!), conversely if you are ejecting then the eventual outcome is already a crashed aircraft - whether or not the engine is running just changes where that crash happens.

Edited by Mave on Friday 16th December 09:19