Ukrainian Air Force
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Just had a quick look on Wikipedia. Doesn’t look like they’ve got a lot to defend themselves with and what they do have is from the Soviet era. This could be all over very quickly…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Putin has it all mapped out. He prepared for the entirely predictable Western sanctions and will simply take what he wants. He knows he can beat whatever the Ukrainians throw at him and he knows the West isn't going to start a shooting war to defend them. And economically we need his gas. He has most of the cards, doesn't have political opposition or democracy to trip him up, and his media are supportive (unlike ours would be). Not daft our Vladimir.
So we may as well sit back and watch the show. It's a damn shame really because I really wanted to know what kind of sandwiches Boris was eating on 22 Dec 2020, whether he was standing up or sitting down when he ate them, and whether the cake was chocolate or Victoria sponge. That's proper news, but it was killed off after only three weeks.
So we may as well sit back and watch the show. It's a damn shame really because I really wanted to know what kind of sandwiches Boris was eating on 22 Dec 2020, whether he was standing up or sitting down when he ate them, and whether the cake was chocolate or Victoria sponge. That's proper news, but it was killed off after only three weeks.
LotusOmega375D said:
Is it too late to send an RAF C17 back to Ukraine to collect our anti-tank missiles and launchers before they get surrendered to the Russians and analysed/reverse-engineered?
Do you really think that the country who first put a man in space and currently runs the ISS, are so technologically backward that they cannot design anti tank weapons?LotusOmega375D said:
Just had a quick look on Wikipedia. Doesn’t look like they’ve got a lot to defend themselves with and what they do have is from the Soviet era. This could be all over very quickly…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Of the retired aircraft only the Tu-160s would have been useful but.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
"Ukrainian Air Force inherited 19 Tu-160s from the former Soviet Union, and subsequently handed over 8 Tu-160s to Russia as exchange for gas debt relief in 1999; the remainder were scrapped under the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction agreement led by the US"
Ukraine is by capita the poorest country in Europe - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings... so not exactly flush with money to spend.
FourWheelDrift said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Just had a quick look on Wikipedia. Doesn’t look like they’ve got a lot to defend themselves with and what they do have is from the Soviet era. This could be all over very quickly…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Of the retired aircraft only the Tu-160s would have been useful but.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
"Ukrainian Air Force inherited 19 Tu-160s from the former Soviet Union, and subsequently handed over 8 Tu-160s to Russia as exchange for gas debt relief in 1999; the remainder were scrapped under the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction agreement led by the US"
Ukraine is by capita the poorest country in Europe - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings... so not exactly flush with money to spend.
andyA700 said:
FourWheelDrift said:
LotusOmega375D said:
Just had a quick look on Wikipedia. Doesn’t look like they’ve got a lot to defend themselves with and what they do have is from the Soviet era. This could be all over very quickly…
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
Of the retired aircraft only the Tu-160s would have been useful but.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ukrainian_Air_Force
"Ukrainian Air Force inherited 19 Tu-160s from the former Soviet Union, and subsequently handed over 8 Tu-160s to Russia as exchange for gas debt relief in 1999; the remainder were scrapped under the Nunn–Lugar Cooperative Threat Reduction agreement led by the US"
Ukraine is by capita the poorest country in Europe - https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings... so not exactly flush with money to spend.
Gargamel said:
roverspeed said:
Simpo Two said:
and his media are supportive (unlike ours would be).
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I would say they are scared of death, rather than supportive :-D.
blue_haddock said:
I wonder when someone last gained "ace in a day" status?
Wiki is up to date! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_aviators_who...I'd have guessed Vietnam, but it seems not.
The best people at knocking down Russian a/c were the Germans. However I don't think they're available this time.
roverspeed said:
How effectively can the raft of nato elint and awacs aircraft flying up and down the Ukrainian border assist the forces in the air and on the ground? Is it simple radio relays of positions etc?
There'll be a control centre, possibly even in one of the aircraft, collating the reports and passing on a summary.In the Battle of Britain the radar sites were essential, but what really made them effective was the admin structure comparing radar reports observer corps reports and so on and turning them into instructions for fighter squadrons.
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