Would you fly on a 737 Max?
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If Boeing succeeds in certifying the 737 Max to resume flying, would you be happy to fly on one?
The company has 500 airframes made and 3000 on order; it seems to be assuming that all will be fine once US regulators give the green light. I'm not so sure I would fly on it though- any views?
The company has 500 airframes made and 3000 on order; it seems to be assuming that all will be fine once US regulators give the green light. I'm not so sure I would fly on it though- any views?
Edited by Piginapoke on Monday 2nd November 07:42
I would, and I hate flying.
As above, with all the issues surrounding this aircraft, you could only assume that they have everything sorted out 100%, another incident would be the final nail.
And if they hadn't sorted it, then I would have fianlly lost all faith in the human race anyway, and would be accepting of my fate.
As above, with all the issues surrounding this aircraft, you could only assume that they have everything sorted out 100%, another incident would be the final nail.
And if they hadn't sorted it, then I would have fianlly lost all faith in the human race anyway, and would be accepting of my fate.
Dr Jekyll said:
I'd be happy to fly on it. Even without the fix, the problem would only occur in a particular set of circumstances which everyone remotely involved now knows about.
I'd be fairly comfortable there won't be any western pilots not familiar with the MCAS issue fixed or broken, but I do wonder what else may have been bodged.While they may have fixed the MCAS issue what is more concerning to me (as someone who works in aviation for a living) is how in bed Boeing and the FAA have been with allowing Boeing to just sign stuff off as safe on there own authority with the FAA just giving it a rubber stamping without really understanding what there approving.
Worse still the FAA and EASA have a reciprocal agreement meaning anything the FAA approve is automatically approved by EASA although EASA have take a very close look at MCAS and I’m not so sure they will trust the FAA so implicitly from now on.
The next question is while they may have fixed MCAS what’s the next thing to cause a crash that they have just rubber stamped.
In short right now No thanks I’d rather fly in something else.
Worse still the FAA and EASA have a reciprocal agreement meaning anything the FAA approve is automatically approved by EASA although EASA have take a very close look at MCAS and I’m not so sure they will trust the FAA so implicitly from now on.
The next question is while they may have fixed MCAS what’s the next thing to cause a crash that they have just rubber stamped.
In short right now No thanks I’d rather fly in something else.
MB140 said:
While they may have fixed the MCAS issue what is more concerning to me (as someone who works in aviation for a living) is how in bed Boeing and the FAA have been with allowing Boeing to just sign stuff off as safe on there own authority with the FAA just giving it a rubber stamping without really understanding what there approving.
Worse still the FAA and EASA have a reciprocal agreement meaning anything the FAA approve is automatically approved by EASA although EASA have take a very close look at MCAS and I’m not so sure they will trust the FAA so implicitly from now on.
The next question is while they may have fixed MCAS what’s the next thing to cause a crash that they have just rubber stamped.
In short right now No thanks I’d rather fly in something else.
This. The issue isn't so much the MCAS problem, but the regulatory failure that made it possible. The "grandfathering" of the original 737 certification has been pushed too far, and at some point the FAA should have put its foot down. Worse still the FAA and EASA have a reciprocal agreement meaning anything the FAA approve is automatically approved by EASA although EASA have take a very close look at MCAS and I’m not so sure they will trust the FAA so implicitly from now on.
The next question is while they may have fixed MCAS what’s the next thing to cause a crash that they have just rubber stamped.
In short right now No thanks I’d rather fly in something else.
Munter said:
Probably. Because by the time I knew what it was I'd just about be walking into it, and chances are wouldn't turn around and refuse to board.
Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
This. You never know exactly what plane you are flying on until you are boarding and the vast majority of passengers would have no idea how to determine what it is either. It’s not like the model name is splashed down the side in the livery Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
craigjm said:
Munter said:
Probably. Because by the time I knew what it was I'd just about be walking into it, and chances are wouldn't turn around and refuse to board.
Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
This. You never know exactly what plane you are flying on until you are boarding and the vast majority of passengers would have no idea how to determine what it is either. It’s not like the model name is splashed down the side in the livery Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
MitchT said:
craigjm said:
Munter said:
Probably. Because by the time I knew what it was I'd just about be walking into it, and chances are wouldn't turn around and refuse to board.
Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
This. You never know exactly what plane you are flying on until you are boarding and the vast majority of passengers would have no idea how to determine what it is either. It’s not like the model name is splashed down the side in the livery Would I deliberately book a flight on one given an alternative? Not for say 5years after it's back in the air without significant incidents.
There's photo evidence that Ryanair have decided to help passengers not realise what they might be getting by removing all the large 737 Max logo's from the forward fuselages of their existing Max fleet during their grounding...
Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
aeropilot said:
There's photo evidence that Ryanair have decided to help passengers not realise what they might be getting by removing all the large 737 Max logo's from the forward fuselages of their existing Max fleet during their grounding...
Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
Aren’t Ryanair rebranding it as the 737-8200 or something similar. Exact same aircraft as the 737 Max just different lettering on the side. Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
If I had a choice between the 737 max and something else, I would always choose the something else.
If the 737 flight was much cheaper (25%+), I would reluctantly go with that instead.
It’s not fully rational, the risk is probably the same now as any other aircraft, but the damage is done, and trust is gone. The fact that most publications I’ve read say that there is inherently something wrong with the aircraft and has been cheaply designed will always put me off.
If the 737 flight was much cheaper (25%+), I would reluctantly go with that instead.
It’s not fully rational, the risk is probably the same now as any other aircraft, but the damage is done, and trust is gone. The fact that most publications I’ve read say that there is inherently something wrong with the aircraft and has been cheaply designed will always put me off.
MB140 said:
aeropilot said:
There's photo evidence that Ryanair have decided to help passengers not realise what they might be getting by removing all the large 737 Max logo's from the forward fuselages of their existing Max fleet during their grounding...
Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
Aren’t Ryanair rebranding it as the 737-8200 or something similar. Exact same aircraft as the 737 Max just different lettering on the side. Wonder if they will do the same on all the safety evac cars in the seat backs as well?
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