Best of luck to the pilots, crew and groundstaff
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I know that we have quite a few pilots on here, and I suspect some of the other staff too.
The air industry is by far the most direct hit so far. I think it was the United CEO who said it was tough when your business is moving people, and the cure for the illness is to stop moving people.
I hope you manage to batten down the hatches, and ride the storm as best you can.
Hopefully it will soon be blue sky's above and below again.
The air industry is by far the most direct hit so far. I think it was the United CEO who said it was tough when your business is moving people, and the cure for the illness is to stop moving people.
I hope you manage to batten down the hatches, and ride the storm as best you can.
Hopefully it will soon be blue sky's above and below again.
2nd that.
Many only start to realise the value of many jobs and services only when they are no longer an option we can choose.
The virus spread is 'only' a temporary shut down of the economy, hopefully airlines and their jobs can adjust accordingly during this time to keep afloat when everything bounces back.
Same goes to everyone else for that matter !
Many only start to realise the value of many jobs and services only when they are no longer an option we can choose.
The virus spread is 'only' a temporary shut down of the economy, hopefully airlines and their jobs can adjust accordingly during this time to keep afloat when everything bounces back.
Same goes to everyone else for that matter !
Thank you!
I thought 9/11 ( my first real experience ) was bad. As Speed 3 says, a lot of us have been though the mill more than a few times. We're about to take the biggest hit yet, the long journey is only just starting. Where we end up, who knows.
I should come out ok but I worry for a lot more.
As an aside, my sis in law has just been diagnosed with breast cancer.
My job seems to pale in comparison right now. She has the real fight to come.
Always someone else worse off I guess.
Good luck folks.
I thought 9/11 ( my first real experience ) was bad. As Speed 3 says, a lot of us have been though the mill more than a few times. We're about to take the biggest hit yet, the long journey is only just starting. Where we end up, who knows.
I should come out ok but I worry for a lot more.
As an aside, my sis in law has just been diagnosed with breast cancer.
My job seems to pale in comparison right now. She has the real fight to come.
Always someone else worse off I guess.
Good luck folks.
Chuck328 said:
Thank you!
I thought 9/11 ( my first real experience ) was bad. As Speed 3 says, a lot of us have been though the mill more than a few times. We're about to take the biggest hit yet, the long journey is only just starting. Where we end up, who knows.
I should come out ok but I worry for a lot more.
As an aside, my sis in law has just been diagnosed with breast cancer.
My job seems to pale in comparison right now. She has the real fight to come.
Always someone else worse off I guess.
Good luck folks.
Good luck to you all, and to your sister.I thought 9/11 ( my first real experience ) was bad. As Speed 3 says, a lot of us have been though the mill more than a few times. We're about to take the biggest hit yet, the long journey is only just starting. Where we end up, who knows.
I should come out ok but I worry for a lot more.
As an aside, my sis in law has just been diagnosed with breast cancer.
My job seems to pale in comparison right now. She has the real fight to come.
Always someone else worse off I guess.
Good luck folks.
It's scant consolation but a friend who had been having some rotten luck recently said to me that “If money can fix a problem, then it really isn't a problem"
Really unsure where we're going to go with all this right now.
we supply loads of the ancillary services at many of the biggest UK airports, but with up to an 80% reduction from some of our biggest customers already, there isn't the work to do for the staff we have employed once everything is cleaned/deep cleaned/laundered there aren't any passengers left to attend to or bags to be screened.
we supply loads of the ancillary services at many of the biggest UK airports, but with up to an 80% reduction from some of our biggest customers already, there isn't the work to do for the staff we have employed once everything is cleaned/deep cleaned/laundered there aren't any passengers left to attend to or bags to be screened.
Speed 3 said:
I've been in the industry since the mid-80's and experienced recessions, financial crisis, SARS, 9/11, volcano and oil price rollercoasters....this trumps all of that. Even when the travel restrictions are lifted the industry casualties will be numerous.
Forgot the two Gulf Wars.......My BiL is head cabin crew with Easyjet, whilst currently he's on a lot of repat flights from Europe he is incredibly worried about the next few months. He's never been out of work and loves his job but is at an age whereby he fears he'll be too old to find something new if the worst happens. That plus the fact his buffer which is his EZY shares and shareplans have obviously been massively hit.
I really feel for anyone in the leisure and tourism industry at present.
I really feel for anyone in the leisure and tourism industry at present.
Best of luck to your BiL. Looks as though their boss might be pushing for more than unpaid time off:
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/11201815/easyjet-st...
https://www.thesun.co.uk/money/11201815/easyjet-st...
Edited by Prawo Jazdy on Saturday 21st March 12:07
Prawo Jazdy said:
Original post now amended.
Mod Note
Ezy mgt = Utter bMod Note
ds!https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-51962981
Edited by Big Al. on Saturday 21st March 15:02
Hammerhead said:
Jet2 have never fed their flight crew or cabin crew. To be honest I like having the choice to eat the food provided or take something of my own, also it gets pretty monotonous as the menus don’t change much.It’s a tough time to be in aviation. Monarch, TCX & Flybe all gone- through no fault of the operating crews.
I feel lucky to still have a job & although it’s going to be a bleak time for the industry, make no mistake there will be readiness for when this is all over.
Edited by griffdude on Friday 20th March 16:55
I’ve offered to take unpaid leave here.
I still have a job but there is no flying for the foreseeable future, but the job is secure... for now
Plenty of colleagues are in the same boat but everyone has different financial situations, and quite a few are worried about there airlines going under and worried they are going to be looking for a job at a time when no one will be recruiting and lots of experienced guys looking for work.
I don’t work for ba but we are all in the same boat
I still have a job but there is no flying for the foreseeable future, but the job is secure... for now
Plenty of colleagues are in the same boat but everyone has different financial situations, and quite a few are worried about there airlines going under and worried they are going to be looking for a job at a time when no one will be recruiting and lots of experienced guys looking for work.
I don’t work for ba but we are all in the same boat
Pilot’s covid deals with U.K. airlines I’ve seen all look pretty similar with typically a range of cost saving options usually involving 50% ish pay drops for a few months and various different options for when and how they return to full pay.
Most seem to have great collaboration between employees and management with companies not looking to drive down pay and conditions long term but just preserve cash whilst they can’t operate and the airlines go into virtual hibernation.
Unions in airlines work pretty well with collective bargaining and the pilots actually being the longest serving employees of the company so the long term survival of the airline is definitely of utmost importance.
Airlines also a bit unique where for pilots anyway, changing airline usually means starting at the bottom somewhere else due to seniority systems, unless we go abroad where maybe direct entry commands etc might be available.
I’ve actually been quite touched by the sense of camaraderie between the employees and between the employees and the management with my lot and feel it’s definitely brought out the best in everyone.
Most seem to have great collaboration between employees and management with companies not looking to drive down pay and conditions long term but just preserve cash whilst they can’t operate and the airlines go into virtual hibernation.
Unions in airlines work pretty well with collective bargaining and the pilots actually being the longest serving employees of the company so the long term survival of the airline is definitely of utmost importance.
Airlines also a bit unique where for pilots anyway, changing airline usually means starting at the bottom somewhere else due to seniority systems, unless we go abroad where maybe direct entry commands etc might be available.
I’ve actually been quite touched by the sense of camaraderie between the employees and between the employees and the management with my lot and feel it’s definitely brought out the best in everyone.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 21st March 10:48
Zippee said:
My BiL is head cabin crew with Easyjet, whilst currently he's on a lot of repat flights from Europe he is incredibly worried about the next few months. He's never been out of work and loves his job but is at an age whereby he fears he'll be too old to find something new if the worst happens. That plus the fact his buffer which is his EZY shares and shareplans have obviously been massively hit.
I really feel for anyone in the leisure and tourism industry at present.
EasyJet have a new boss from Ryanair who is being particularly aggressive about removing future benefits and life style improving schemes and rules, even after the airline returns to normal. Whilst most airlines are looking after employees a bit better and focusing on making deals that involve preserving the company and jobs whilst they can’t operate. I really feel for anyone in the leisure and tourism industry at present.
Their pilots deal was much poorer than the one other U.K. airlines have been given.
El stovey said:
EasyJet have a new boss from Ryanair who is being particularly aggressive about removing future benefits and life style improving schemes and rules, even after the airline returns to normal. Whilst most airlines are looking after employees a bit better and focusing on making deals that involve preserving the company and jobs whilst they can’t operate.
Their pilots deal was much poorer than the one other U.K. airlines have been given.
It does seem horrendous what this chap is doing. We are all in a bit of a quagmire right now and this guy just seems to want to shovel sTheir pilots deal was much poorer than the one other U.K. airlines have been given.
t onto easyjet crew whilst they are stuck. 
El stovey said:
Pilot’s covid deals with U.K. airlines I’ve seen all look pretty similar with typically a range of cost saving options usually involving 50% ish pay drops for a few months and various different options for when and how they return to full pay.
Most seem to have great collaboration between employees and management with companies not looking to drive down pay and conditions long term but just preserve cash whilst they can’t operate and the airlines go into virtual hibernation.
Unions in airlines work pretty well with collective bargaining and the pilots actually being the longest serving employees of the company so the long term survival of the airline is definitely of utmost importance.
Airlines also a bit unique where for pilots anyway, changing airline usually means starting at the bottom somewhere else due to seniority systems, unless we go abroad where maybe direct entry commands etc might be available.
I’ve actually been quite touched by the sense of camaraderie between the employees and between the employees and the management with my lot and feel it’s definitely brought out the best in everyone.
Any insight into what happens to lease repayments on the aircrafts? I’d have thought the lenders, just like residential mortgage companies, would be keen to avoid a load of repossessions of expensive metal that may or may not sell in the future. Lease payment holidays?Most seem to have great collaboration between employees and management with companies not looking to drive down pay and conditions long term but just preserve cash whilst they can’t operate and the airlines go into virtual hibernation.
Unions in airlines work pretty well with collective bargaining and the pilots actually being the longest serving employees of the company so the long term survival of the airline is definitely of utmost importance.
Airlines also a bit unique where for pilots anyway, changing airline usually means starting at the bottom somewhere else due to seniority systems, unless we go abroad where maybe direct entry commands etc might be available.
I’ve actually been quite touched by the sense of camaraderie between the employees and between the employees and the management with my lot and feel it’s definitely brought out the best in everyone.
Edited by El stovey on Saturday 21st March 10:48
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