Anyone know how 737's 'should' be flown?
Anyone know how 737's 'should' be flown?
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anonymous-user

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83 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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davepoth

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Sunday 26th August 2018
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stevesingo

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251 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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davepoth said:
Express said:
The flight from Crete

RammyMP

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182 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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Oh ps off, I fly home with jet 2 tomorrow. Cheers!

Condi

20,267 posts

200 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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What exactly do you expect the pilot to do about the air moving around?



It was windy today, thats all..... blame the weather forecaster, not the pilot!

Simpo Two

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294 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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Little old lady to pilot, on leaving: 'Excuse me, did we land or were we shot down?'

pushthebutton

1,099 posts

211 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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From Pula at 2pm?:

EGCC 261250Z 16008G19KT 110V270 3500 RA FEW008CB SCT014 OVC037 13/12 Q1002 TEMPO BKN014

davepoth

29,395 posts

228 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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stevesingo said:
davepoth said:
Express said:
The flight from Crete
I should have paid more attention - here's what I saw (the Hull Daily Mail link says Turkey, and I assumed there was only one "event" this week):



Can't say I've ever flown with Jet2, but multiple emergencies at Manchester plus Jess Glynn on an infinite loop makes Ryanair sound appealing.

cuprabob

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243 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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Simpo Two said:
Little old lady to pilot, on leaving: 'Excuse me, did we land or were we shot down?'
hehe

pushthebutton

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211 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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Jet 2's website says it landed at 2:04pm which is 14 minutes after the above weather report was issued.

HTH

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ETA:

Jet 2's arrival time may be on stand as FlightAware thinks it 'landed' at 1:49pm which is pretty much the time that the weather report above was issued.

Wind is gusting between 8 and 19 mph at 70 degrees from the runway direction (around 230) with between 12 and 25% of the sky containing Cumulonimbus clouds:



I think that combination would create the conditions you described.

Edited by pushthebutton on Sunday 26th August 22:43

Cupramax

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281 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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davepoth said:
FFS, that’s nearly as bad as the report in the Daily fail, maximum speed landing, or perhaps landing at the correct speed for no flaps, but that wouldn’t make a good headline, retards. The aircraft wouldn’t land at the maximum speed, about 490 knots, more like 200 with no flaps, albeit a bit brown trouser, it’s practiced.

djc206

13,559 posts

154 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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anonymous said:
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If you were late that likely contributed to the slow climb. When they’re late they fly fast which means a reduced climb rate. If you were flying on one of the old 737-300’s that will also have contributed.

Turbulence was likely because of strongupper winds, I wasn’t in work today so haven’t looked but the other day they were blowing well over 100kts above FL280 with a fair amount of turbulence reported. Convective weather won’t have helped either.

djc206

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154 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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anonymous said:
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Manchester 26th at 1250 UTC wind 160 degrees 8kts gusting 19kts variable 110 degrees to 270 degrees, visibility 3500m, rain, few cumulonimbus clouds 800ft, scattered clouds 1400ft, overcast 3700ft, temp 13C, dewpoint 12C, Pressure 1002hpa temporary broken clouds at 1400ft.

pushthebutton

1,099 posts

211 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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Edited my post above.

I think that the weather at Manchester at that time would explain what you felt.

It's pretty difficult (almost impossible) to judge approach speed etc from the cabin.

GliderRider

2,916 posts

110 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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anonymous said:
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Its about time the aviation industry accepted that teleprinters are as dead as the dinosaurs, and that it won't kill anyone to present weather information in a form that even non-Bletchley Parkers can understand.

djc206

13,559 posts

154 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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GliderRider said:
Its about time the aviation industry accepted that teleprinters are as dead as the dinosaurs, and that it won't kill anyone to present weather information in a form that even non-Bletchley Parkers can understand.
It’s very concise and doesn’t take much practice to decipher in fairness.

GliderRider

2,916 posts

110 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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djc206 said:
GliderRider said:
Its about time the aviation industry accepted that teleprinters are as dead as the dinosaurs, and that it won't kill anyone to present weather information in a form that even non-Bletchley Parkers can understand.
It’s very concise and doesn’t take much practice to decipher in fairness.
I admire your ability to memorise all those EG** codes and not get them muddled!

djc206

13,559 posts

154 months

Sunday 26th August 2018
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GliderRider said:
I admire your ability to memorise all those EG** codes and not get them muddled!
If only it were just the EG’s that I remembered, I’ve got a head full of useless icao designators. At least the yanks keep things simple, KLAX, KLAS, KJFK, KBOS etc aren’t exactly difficult to work out!

Prawo Jazdy

5,037 posts

243 months

Monday 27th August 2018
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anonymous said:
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It was most likely ‘an issue’ as you suggest. I would send this post to the CAA and the AAIB and The Police to make sure that this never happens again.

sir benny

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148 months

Monday 27th August 2018
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So you are saying that the approach speed was ‘alarmingly’ above the speed it should have been? Go on then, what should the approach speed have been and what do you think you were flying?