Helicopter crash near Harrogate
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Looks like the deceased pilot has been named
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/16260865.Helicopte...
He did a lot for Yorkshire businesses. I saw him speak at an event - very passionate and he actually did deliver things rather than just talk about stuff
http://www.yorkpress.co.uk/news/16260865.Helicopte...
He did a lot for Yorkshire businesses. I saw him speak at an event - very passionate and he actually did deliver things rather than just talk about stuff
Geneve said:
Very sad news.
Early speculation suggests weather was poor, entered IMC and CFIT.
AAIB report will doubtless resolve.
To save others having to also Google:Early speculation suggests weather was poor, entered IMC and CFIT.
AAIB report will doubtless resolve.
Early speculation suggests weather was poor, entered Instrument Meteorological Conditions [weather conditions that require pilots to fly primarily by instruments] and Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
Air Accidents Investigation Branch report will doubtless resolve
I don’t know if this is what happened here but unfortunately many successful people have been killed in their own helicopters and light aircraft. General Aviation, particularly rotary flying has many issues associated with the high achievers who can afford to own and operate their own helicopters. I believe sailing also has an element of this going on.
Often the qualities and environment that make people successful in business or sport or whatever aren't qualities that would make them good pilots. I’d see this time and time again as an instructor, people who were very successful taking their entrepreneurial or senior managerial business mindset into the aircraft and it would lead them into situations they simply couldn’t cope with.
The successful individuals who also succeed in flying are the ones who recognise they are new to it, often lack recency and understand the risks and mitigate against them.
I nearly killed myself flying into cloud as a new pilot without an instrument rating. I did it because I was young and stupid and pushed on and thought I knew best. Next thing I knew I was descending in a steep turn as I’d become disoriented, luckily I was high up and recovered.
Often the qualities and environment that make people successful in business or sport or whatever aren't qualities that would make them good pilots. I’d see this time and time again as an instructor, people who were very successful taking their entrepreneurial or senior managerial business mindset into the aircraft and it would lead them into situations they simply couldn’t cope with.
The successful individuals who also succeed in flying are the ones who recognise they are new to it, often lack recency and understand the risks and mitigate against them.
I nearly killed myself flying into cloud as a new pilot without an instrument rating. I did it because I was young and stupid and pushed on and thought I knew best. Next thing I knew I was descending in a steep turn as I’d become disoriented, luckily I was high up and recovered.
FunkyNige said:
To save others having to also Google:
Early speculation suggests weather was poor, entered Instrument Meteorological Conditions [weather conditions that require pilots to fly primarily by instruments] and Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
Air Accidents Investigation Branch report will doubtless resolve
'Controlled flight into terrain' ?Early speculation suggests weather was poor, entered Instrument Meteorological Conditions [weather conditions that require pilots to fly primarily by instruments] and Controlled Flight Into Terrain.
Air Accidents Investigation Branch report will doubtless resolve
Heavy Crash landing 'on purpose' as opposed to falling out of the sky and crashing?
Shuvi McTupya said:
'Controlled flight into terrain' ?
Heavy Crash landing 'on purpose' as opposed to falling out of the sky and crashing?
Flying is full of these euphemisms. Controlled flight into terrain usually means that you hit a cloud with rocks in it. Heavy Crash landing 'on purpose' as opposed to falling out of the sky and crashing?
Basically the aircraft is under control but hits something. As opposed to crashing into the ground because the engines or a wing fell off.
El stovey said:
Flying is full of these euphemisms. Controlled flight into terrain usually means that you hit a cloud with rocks in it.
Basically the aircraft is under control but hits something. As opposed to crashing into the ground because the engines or a wing fell off.
A cloud with rocks in!! Basically the aircraft is under control but hits something. As opposed to crashing into the ground because the engines or a wing fell off.
Thanks for clarifying.
El stovey said:
I don’t know if this is what happened here but unfortunately many successful people have been killed in their own helicopters and light aircraft. General Aviation, particularly rotary flying has many issues associated with the high achievers who can afford to own and operate their own helicopters. I believe sailing also has an element of this going on.
Often the qualities and environment that make people successful in business or sport or whatever aren't qualities that would make them good pilots. I’d see this time and time again as an instructor, people who were very successful taking their entrepreneurial or senior managerial business mindset into the aircraft and it would lead them into situations they simply couldn’t cope with.
The successful individuals who also succeed in flying are the ones who recognise they are new to it, often lack recency and understand the risks and mitigate against them.
I can well believe that. Having worked for a few of these types, an ability to convince themselves that they can bend reality to their will, combined with luck and a bloody minded approach to risk, often seems to have been how they become successful. Survivor bias, in other words. Not ideal traits for a pilot.Often the qualities and environment that make people successful in business or sport or whatever aren't qualities that would make them good pilots. I’d see this time and time again as an instructor, people who were very successful taking their entrepreneurial or senior managerial business mindset into the aircraft and it would lead them into situations they simply couldn’t cope with.
The successful individuals who also succeed in flying are the ones who recognise they are new to it, often lack recency and understand the risks and mitigate against them.
Wealthy owner ran out of (choose any blend of) talent, training and experience then. In that sense, not dissimilar to Colin McRae. Top chap by the sound of it too.
Unusual to see a private Jet Ranger, I had assumed initially that it would be yet another R22. I think the time is probably getting closer when PPL(H) pilots are required to also have Instrument Rating and Night Rating. If only to extend the overall experience and training. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I saw a Jet Ranger at all!
Unusual to see a private Jet Ranger, I had assumed initially that it would be yet another R22. I think the time is probably getting closer when PPL(H) pilots are required to also have Instrument Rating and Night Rating. If only to extend the overall experience and training. Come to think of it, I can't remember the last time I saw a Jet Ranger at all!
There are probably 100 Bell 206s in the UK, on the G and other regs.
There was a time when they were the popular light turbine of choice, but the AS350 'squirrel' largely replaced it over the last 30 years. Still a pretty tough, versatile helicopter, for the price, but dated and now being replaced by the new Bell 505 -
www.bellflight.com/commercial/bell-505 Jury is out on whether it is a worthy replacement.
Instrument flying in helicopters is very different to fixed-wing. In the UK, singles are restricted to VFR. There's no IMC rating, just full IR which is limited to IFR equipped twin-engined helicopters.
There was a time when they were the popular light turbine of choice, but the AS350 'squirrel' largely replaced it over the last 30 years. Still a pretty tough, versatile helicopter, for the price, but dated and now being replaced by the new Bell 505 -
www.bellflight.com/commercial/bell-505 Jury is out on whether it is a worthy replacement.
Instrument flying in helicopters is very different to fixed-wing. In the UK, singles are restricted to VFR. There's no IMC rating, just full IR which is limited to IFR equipped twin-engined helicopters.
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