Skylon and the Sabre Engine

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Sonic

4,008 posts

214 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Good to see such a sensible decision with money being put into a another good science project.

maffski

1,886 posts

166 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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In case anyone missed it, there was a good program about SABRE/Skylon on the beeb a while ago: http://youtu.be/McdLB7oGJu8

It also goes into their original attempt HOTOL - which was killed off when the government of the time withdrew funding and placed the technology under the official secrets act, which is what triggered them to start again from scratch and come up with SABRE

Simpo Two

87,066 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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And £60M is probably only the benefits bill for 48 hours. Think what could be achieved...

whoami

13,157 posts

247 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Simpo Two said:
And £60M is probably only the benefits bill for 48 hours. Think what could be achieved...
Indeed.

We could blast all the dossers into the atmosphere.

anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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The phrase "can be fitted to existing planes" is probably a bit distracting for the average reader! Not many existing airframes are still going to be in one piece at M5.0 !! ;-)

Eric Mc

122,855 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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I wonder which "existing plane" they were talking about?

And I wish they wouldn't call aeroplanes, airplanes or aircraft "planes".

A plane is a flat surface, or a carpenter's tool.


anonymous-user

61 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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i think they meant "this engine technology is compatible with existing airframe technology" rather than it could just be used with any actual current airframe!

IanMorewood

4,309 posts

255 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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I thought Bond had said he really didn’t want any government involvement in the project after his earlier ram jet concepts where basically squashed for 30 years when the MOD took out patents on half the stuff he designed.

davepoth

29,395 posts

206 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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IanMorewood said:
I thought Bond had said he really didn’t want any government involvement in the project after his earlier ram jet concepts where basically squashed for 30 years when the MOD took out patents on half the stuff he designed.
I guess the money was a bit too much of a lure. Either way I doubt the government would squash it; space technology is a bit export earner for the UK right now, and having the technology to build a reusable SSTO that could fly from a runway would certainly help that cause a lot.

dr_gn

16,408 posts

191 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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davepoth said:
IanMorewood said:
I thought Bond had said he really didn’t want any government involvement in the project after his earlier ram jet concepts where basically squashed for 30 years when the MOD took out patents on half the stuff he designed.
I guess the money was a bit too much of a lure. Either way I doubt the government would squash it; space technology is a bit export earner for the UK right now, and having the technology to build a reusable SSTO that could fly from a runway would certainly help that cause a lot.
Plus the UK is totally in the st and this might, just might be some technology that 'we' could sell.

If this whole thing came off, and we ended up with a real live state of the art, world leading space vehicle, it could massively raise the profile of UK engineering, and, dare I say it, credibility.

(IMO) smile

Simpo Two

87,066 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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Or we could give it to a foreign power in a futile political gesture.

Eric Mc

122,855 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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We'll sell it to the Yanks for a song (like the Harrier et al).

PlankWithANailIn

439 posts

156 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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It'll be a very successful game changer like the jet engine; but our idiot government will just hand over the rights to the yanks and no one will make any money from it...Just like the jet engine...Do'h!

dr_gn

16,408 posts

191 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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PlankWithANailIn said:
It'll be a very successful game changer like the jet engine; but our idiot government will just hand over the rights to the yanks and no one will make any money from it...Just like the jet engine...Do'h!
Why would they do that?

Simpo Two

87,066 posts

272 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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The jet engine was given to the Russians by the post-war Labour government in a gesture of ludicrously naive socialist bonhomie. The Russians promptly reverse-engineered it and put it in Mig-15s for the Korean war.

davepoth

29,395 posts

206 months

Tuesday 16th July 2013
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dr_gn said:
PlankWithANailIn said:
It'll be a very successful game changer like the jet engine; but our idiot government will just hand over the rights to the yanks and no one will make any money from it...Just like the jet engine...Do'h!
Why would they do that?
Magic beans, Free Trade Deal, something like that.

yellowjack

17,261 posts

173 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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Damn you lot. I saw Sabre Engine in the thread title and immediately thought "Napier Sabre" and the Typhoon/Tempest.


Bullocks!

dr_gn

16,408 posts

191 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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Simpo Two said:
The jet engine was given to the Russians by the post-war Labour government in a gesture of ludicrously naive socialist bonhomie. The Russians promptly reverse-engineered it and put it in Mig-15s for the Korean war.
Sold to the Russians, and at the end of the day the axial flow designs from Germany were the way forward.

Simpo Two

87,066 posts

272 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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dr_gn said:
Sold to the Russians
Still pretty stupid given that it was clear that Russia would be our biggest threat post-1945. Did they pay the bill and did we spend the money wisely I wonder...?

Eric Mc

122,855 posts

272 months

Wednesday 17th July 2013
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I actually thought the details were GIVEN to the Russians rather than sold.

Essentially it was the details (and actual copies) of the Rolls Royce Nene - which Dr gn correctly states was a centrifugal flow compressor design rather than an axial flow design.

Despite the fact that the axial was the best design for future projects, the Russians made good use of the Nene and installed a derivative of it in the very capable MIG 15.