How to find the outcome of an in flight "emergency"?
How to find the outcome of an in flight "emergency"?
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Moulder

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1,648 posts

241 months

Monday 8th July 2013
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Last night whilst flying back from Turkey (BA0677) as we approached Heathrow the plane was forced into an "emergency" manoeuvre due to a light aircraft entering Heathrow air space. This was largely precautionary and basically a bit of a climb followed by going round again, so not the end of the world.

However, having been affected by this I am now interested to know the process/outcome of what if anything happens next. I am not sure what the scale is of flying violations but I would have thought entering Heathrow airspace and causing a passenger flight to abort its landing was well up there.

To clarify this isn't me wanting the bloke dead, just to know how such a thing is handled now by any aviation authorities and how I can follow what happens next.

Thanks

anonymous-user

83 months

Monday 8th July 2013
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Unlikely too many details will be released so soon if it was "that" serious and probably not in response to a private third party enquiry either.
The aviation mags some times carry the outcome of incidents and accidents some weeks/months down the line.

CharlieCrocodile

1,227 posts

182 months

Monday 8th July 2013
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It will appear here - http://www.aaib.gov.uk/publications/index.cfm in a few months.

eharding

14,648 posts

313 months

Monday 8th July 2013
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Moulder said:
Last night whilst flying back from Turkey (BA0677) as we approached Heathrow the plane was forced into an "emergency" manoeuvre due to a light aircraft entering Heathrow air space. This was largely precautionary and basically a bit of a climb followed by going round again, so not the end of the world.

However, having been affected by this I am now interested to know the process/outcome of what if anything happens next. I am not sure what the scale is of flying violations but I would have thought entering Heathrow airspace and causing a passenger flight to abort its landing was well up there.

To clarify this isn't me wanting the bloke dead, just to know how such a thing is handled now by any aviation authorities and how I can follow what happens next.

Thanks
There are a number of factors determining how the CAA would deal with the transgressor, but if it ends in a prosecution (and the CAA win) then the details are published: e.g.

http://www.caa.co.uk/docs/2600/CAA%20Prosecutions%...

Generally, the approach taken is a constructive one - identify the causes of the zone bust, be it equipment failure, loss of position awareness, failures of training and so forth - and take steps to ensure that, for the individual at least and occasionally on a broader level - that it doesn't happen again. If, on the other hand, the individual concerned was behaving like a complete bell-end, and exhibits high potential for future bell-end-related activity, then the CAA Enforcement Branch tend to don the size 12 gonad-crusher boots and set to work.

insurance_jon

4,096 posts

275 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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On a similar vien I was at the British gp and red arrows had to abort due to a private aircraft ignoring the Notam and blundering into their display.

What would happen to the pilot? Stiff talking to? Points?

mattdaniels

7,362 posts

311 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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insurance_jon said:
On a similar vien I was at the British gp and red arrows had to abort due to a private aircraft ignoring the Notam and blundering into their display.
Was it a helicopter? The reds usually run in roughly over my house and we see them from the garden when they break back round during the display, but on Sunday this year they came over, then a short while later a helicopter came over heading in the same direction, and then it all went quiet and we didn't see them again which was a bit unusual.

Re. Heathrow zone busts, I remember becoming "temporarily uncertain of my position" (note: not "lost" wink ) on my Qualifying Cross Country flight for my PPL. I was flying from Goodwood to Biggin Hill, and thought I was aiming for a spire at Guildford but doubts started growing that the spire I was headed for wasn't Guildford. I knew if I stayed south of the M25 and under a certain height I should avoid busting Heathrow but I just couldn't figure out where I was. So I called up Farnborough Radar on the radio, the nice lady gave me a squawk code to put in to the transponder, she identified where I was and pointed me towards Ascot race course and onwards to Biggin.

It's a bit unnerving when you think or realise you don't know where you are, but it's better to ask for help sooner than blunder around and risk busting a zone and the subsquent meeting without tea or biscuits.

karona

1,928 posts

215 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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If it is reported as an official incident it would appear here
http://avherald.com/

mattdaniels

7,362 posts

311 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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Answering my own question after a bit of research, the aircraft was reported as a "high wing Cessna" and it was inside the Red Arrows 6-mile temporary restricted airspace - this is an (RA/T) not a NOTAM - so that's reasonably serious.

mattdaniels

7,362 posts

311 months

Tuesday 9th July 2013
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WeirdNeville said:
insurance_jon said:
On a similar vien I was at the British gp and red arrows had to abort due to a private aircraft ignoring the Notam and blundering into their display.

What would happen to the pilot? Stiff talking to? Points?
It was an as yet unidentified micro-light.
The CAA News Release was published on the British Microlight Aircraft Association website and describes the infringer as "a light aircraft" rather than a specific type. There's chat in forums stating that Silverstone Tower confirmed the aircraft to be a Cessna 152 not a microlight, but either way someone's not done their homework before setting off.