787 catches fire on the ground
Discussion
Does not seem quite as bad as the Twitter headline would lead you to beleive!
http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/01/07/boeing-787...
By Eric Moskowitz, Glen Johnson, Katie Johnston, John R. Ellement and Martin Finucane, Globe Staff
A fire that began in a battery in the underbelly of a Japan Airlines Boeing 787 jetliner at Logan International Airport this morning filled the plane’s cabin with heavy smoke just minutes after passengers had disembarked, Massport officials said today.
Flight 8 arrived from Tokyo at about 10:15 a.m. carrying 173 passengers and 11 crew members, Massport aviation director Edward Freni said at a news conference. After passengers left the plane through the jetbridge, at about 10:30 a.m., airline mechanics reported smoke. Massport firefighters were there within three minutes, he said.
Massport Fire Rescue Chief Robert J. Donahue said firefighters encountered heavy smoke in the entire cabin of the plane and used thermal imaging devices to determine the source of the fire.
“We found a fire condition about midships in the avionics compartment underneath,” he said. He said the fire began in a battery that was part of an auxiliary power unit that is only used when the plane is on the ground and its engines are turned off.
The fire was extinguished within an hour, officials said. Donahue said firefighters used the halotron fire extinguishing agent. No injuries were reported.
The National Transportation Safety Board said it would send investigators to Boston to look into the incident, the latest of several electrical and mechanical mishaps involving the much-anticipated high-tech plane known as the Dreamliner.
On Dec. 5, the Federal Aviation Administration ordered inspections of all 36 787s in service after it received reports of fuel leaks on two aircraft operated by foreign airlines. Several incorrectly assembled fuel couplings on in-service and in-production 787s were subsequently discovered. The conditions could result in fuel leaks that could lead to a loss of power or fire, according to the FAA directive.
Boeing is also investigating electrical issues on the Dreamliner after incidents involving at least four aircraft, according to several published news reports. A United Airlines flight from Houston to Newark was diverted to New Orleans last month after an electrical problem occurred mid-flight, and Qatar Airways later said it grounded a 787 for the same reason. United took another jet out of service to replace a power panel and generator, and a power panel on an aircraft set to be delivered to Qatar Airways was replaced following a test flight.
The Dreamliner, which is made with durable, lightweight composites, relies heavily on its electrical system, using more electricity to power its primary and secondary systems than conventional planes do.
“We are aware of the event and working with our customer,” Boeing said in a statement. The FAA issued a statement saying it was “looking into” the incident. The Japan Airlines public relations office didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment.
Freni said he believed that this particular plane had gone into service only recently, in the past few weeks.
He said he had seen the plane land from his office. “I saw it taxiing. There was no indication of smoke at that point,” he said.
Flight 8 was expected to turn around and fly back this afternoon, but it has now been grounded.
The Dreamliner nonstop flight connecting Boston and Tokyo has been a pivotal part of Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick’s efforts to expand trade between Massachusetts and Asia.
Passengers who had been aboard the flight said they were unaware that a fire had broken out.
Noriyuki Sakai, an engineer visiting Boston on business, said, the flight was “very usual, and there were no problems.”
“Oh, that’s where it was?” a surprised Yutaro Yamaguchi, 16, said. “I didn’t smell anything.”
Globe correspondents Todd Feathers and Lauren Dezenski contributed to this report.
http://www.reuters.com/video/2013/01/07/boeing-787...
By Eric Moskowitz, Glen Johnson, Katie Johnston, John R. Ellement and Martin Finucane, Globe Staff
A fire that began in a battery in the underbelly of a Japan Airlines Boeing 787 jetliner at Logan International Airport this morning filled the plane’s cabin with heavy smoke just minutes after passengers had disembarked, Massport officials said today.
Flight 8 arrived from Tokyo at about 10:15 a.m. carrying 173 passengers and 11 crew members, Massport aviation director Edward Freni said at a news conference. After passengers left the plane through the jetbridge, at about 10:30 a.m., airline mechanics reported smoke. Massport firefighters were there within three minutes, he said.
Massport Fire Rescue Chief Robert J. Donahue said firefighters encountered heavy smoke in the entire cabin of the plane and used thermal imaging devices to determine the source of the fire.
“We found a fire condition about midships in the avionics compartment underneath,” he said. He said the fire began in a battery that was part of an auxiliary power unit that is only used when the plane is on the ground and its engines are turned off.
The fire was extinguished within an hour, officials said. Donahue said firefighters used the halotron fire extinguishing agent. No injuries were reported.
The National Transportation Safety Board said it would send investigators to Boston to look into the incident, the latest of several electrical and mechanical mishaps involving the much-anticipated high-tech plane known as the Dreamliner.
On Dec. 5, the Federal Aviation Administration ordered inspections of all 36 787s in service after it received reports of fuel leaks on two aircraft operated by foreign airlines. Several incorrectly assembled fuel couplings on in-service and in-production 787s were subsequently discovered. The conditions could result in fuel leaks that could lead to a loss of power or fire, according to the FAA directive.
Boeing is also investigating electrical issues on the Dreamliner after incidents involving at least four aircraft, according to several published news reports. A United Airlines flight from Houston to Newark was diverted to New Orleans last month after an electrical problem occurred mid-flight, and Qatar Airways later said it grounded a 787 for the same reason. United took another jet out of service to replace a power panel and generator, and a power panel on an aircraft set to be delivered to Qatar Airways was replaced following a test flight.
The Dreamliner, which is made with durable, lightweight composites, relies heavily on its electrical system, using more electricity to power its primary and secondary systems than conventional planes do.
“We are aware of the event and working with our customer,” Boeing said in a statement. The FAA issued a statement saying it was “looking into” the incident. The Japan Airlines public relations office didn’t immediately return a message seeking comment.
Freni said he believed that this particular plane had gone into service only recently, in the past few weeks.
He said he had seen the plane land from his office. “I saw it taxiing. There was no indication of smoke at that point,” he said.
Flight 8 was expected to turn around and fly back this afternoon, but it has now been grounded.
The Dreamliner nonstop flight connecting Boston and Tokyo has been a pivotal part of Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick’s efforts to expand trade between Massachusetts and Asia.
Passengers who had been aboard the flight said they were unaware that a fire had broken out.
Noriyuki Sakai, an engineer visiting Boston on business, said, the flight was “very usual, and there were no problems.”
“Oh, that’s where it was?” a surprised Yutaro Yamaguchi, 16, said. “I didn’t smell anything.”
Globe correspondents Todd Feathers and Lauren Dezenski contributed to this report.
Edited by onyx39 on Monday 7th January 19:50
That's got the hand of a "Lipo" incident all over it. I use them in big model heli's (12s 44v 5300ma) and nearly had my barn taken out by a charge fire! Always charge now in a fire retardant bag! They do make huge amounts of smoke whilst burning!
Guess what the 787 uses...
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/paris-air-s...
Guess what the 787 uses...
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/paris-air-s...
Fuel leak problem yesterday and news just up on CNBC of a "computer" brake failure. Reading on the Beeb, FAA are aware of issues with fuel couplings before.
Seems to be a spate of non-corrolated issues over a few days, would FAA step in and ground them or are these just normal running in glitches that are reported more than they used to be with 24/7 news, info etc etc?
edited for speeling.
Seems to be a spate of non-corrolated issues over a few days, would FAA step in and ground them or are these just normal running in glitches that are reported more than they used to be with 24/7 news, info etc etc?
edited for speeling.
Edited by djstevec on Wednesday 9th January 09:54
I thought lipo too, hopefully just a manufacturing fault.
It's very well saying that the battery is in a unit only used when the aircraft is parked up, but that will be scant consolation when the cabin fills up with smoke at 38,000', even if there is no risk of the fire spreading it will still be extremely unpleasant for anyone who breathes the smoke.
It's very well saying that the battery is in a unit only used when the aircraft is parked up, but that will be scant consolation when the cabin fills up with smoke at 38,000', even if there is no risk of the fire spreading it will still be extremely unpleasant for anyone who breathes the smoke.
"NTSB investigator Mike Bauer works inside the 787 under fire investigation at Boston's Logan Airport. The space in front of his hand is where the lithium-ion battery was."
http://seattletimes.com/html/businesstechnology/20...
I'm not going to comment on the standard of the wiring installation from a lo-res image.
Not turning into a good week for Boeing!
@Reuters: Boeing Dreamliner suffers third incident, raising safety concerns http://t.co/fipzOg2Y
@Reuters: Boeing Dreamliner suffers third incident, raising safety concerns http://t.co/fipzOg2Y
onyx39 said:
Not turning into a good week for Boeing!
@Reuters: Boeing Dreamliner suffers third incident, raising safety concerns http://t.co/fipzOg2Y
It sounds like it got worse today.@Reuters: Boeing Dreamliner suffers third incident, raising safety concerns http://t.co/fipzOg2Y
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-20988117
Edited by y2blade on Friday 11th January 15:49
Its been in the wind for a while. There's a strong chance a letter from the FAA requesting my assistence or presence in the enquiry will be landing on my doormat next week. Again. The FAA have been after this for quite a while,Ive got at least one similar letter from them in the last 12months, they have tried to pre-empt at least one enquiry/review already and got baulked.
Although I have my own personal reservations about certain aspects of the aircraft of which I have knowledge, I must admit I am baffled by the grief the 787 is causing Boeing. All of this stuff bar one of its previous issues are all items that their processes should have weeded out by now. Its actually quite un-Boeing like.
Although I have my own personal reservations about certain aspects of the aircraft of which I have knowledge, I must admit I am baffled by the grief the 787 is causing Boeing. All of this stuff bar one of its previous issues are all items that their processes should have weeded out by now. Its actually quite un-Boeing like.
Some months ago I was shot down by some of the "experts" on here for questioning the design, production, and testing methodology of this latest Boeing product.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
Japan Airlines Reports New Fuel Leak in Boeing 787
TOKYO January 13, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-air...
TOKYO January 13, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-air...
Mojocvh said:
Some months ago I was shot down by some of the "experts" on here for questioning the design, production, and testing methodology of this latest Boeing product.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
Wait and see what exactly? What do you think is wrong with the 787. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
y2blade said:
Japan Airlines Reports New Fuel Leak in Boeing 787
TOKYO January 13, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-air...
Fuel spill not leak. Quite different.TOKYO January 13, 2013 (AP)
http://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/japan-air...
el stovey said:
Mojocvh said:
Some months ago I was shot down by some of the "experts" on here for questioning the design, production, and testing methodology of this latest Boeing product.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
Wait and see what exactly? What do you think is wrong with the 787. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
"the review will likely examine the design and manufacturing process of the plane, and could take several weeks, perhaps even a couple of months",
concludes.
Might be put down to one-off single issues.
May perhaps point to a more endemic quality control problem.
Lets see what the experts come up with.
Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 15th January 09:34
Mojocvh said:
el stovey said:
Mojocvh said:
Some months ago I was shot down by some of the "experts" on here for questioning the design, production, and testing methodology of this latest Boeing product.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
Wait and see what exactly? What do you think is wrong with the 787. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
When you said "well, lets wait and see" you're suggesting your initial findings (whatever they were) have now been somehow been proven right. It's all very self congratulatory without actually making any statements of fact to support any of it.
I know you're somehow involved in EADS or airbus and love taking shots at anything to do with Boeing any chance you get but do you have any facts rather than just posting photos and making endless innuendo and trying to cast doubt and rubbish anything your market rival does?
el stovey said:
Mojocvh said:
el stovey said:
Mojocvh said:
Some months ago I was shot down by some of the "experts" on here for questioning the design, production, and testing methodology of this latest Boeing product.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
Wait and see what exactly? What do you think is wrong with the 787. http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/11/us-boein...
Well, lets wait and see...
When you said "well, lets wait and see" you're suggesting your initial findings (whatever they were) have now been somehow been proven right. It's all very self congratulatory without actually making any statements of fact to support any of it.
I know you're somehow involved in EADS or airbus and love taking shots at anything to do with Boeing any chance you get but do you have any facts rather than just posting photos and making endless innuendo and trying to cast doubt and rubbish anything your market rival does?
If you are that concerned, ask for the thread to be deleted, would that satisfy you?
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