Twenty-five million.
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HMS Victory has welcomed her twenty-five millionth visitor since opening to the public in 1928.
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I love it!
"Go straight at em" !
Talking to my deckie today, and we where talking about MOB manouvers.
He's a RYA instructor with f
k all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.
I told him if you fk about with all this letting the boat drift down bullsyte, I'll blood your nose, just do a Nelson!
Anyway, I love the Victory!
"Go straight at em" !
Talking to my deckie today, and we where talking about MOB manouvers.
He's a RYA instructor with f
k all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.I told him if you f
k about with all this letting the boat drift down bullsyte, I'll blood your nose, just do a Nelson!Anyway, I love the Victory!
mickrick said:
He's a RYA instructor with fk all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.
Agree and it bothers me, sadly there are too many kids with these RYA qualifications now working on expensive bits of kit! I say introduce compulsory training on sail training vessels or voluntary work supporting the maintenance of the Cutty Sark, HMS Victory, SS Great Britain or similiar!k all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.Too true, I'd have loved to get on one of those babies! Still would if I had chance.
Had the time of my life in the summer, just getting a day sail on an old gaffer
I'm having doubts about this Guy I have working with me.
Now I'm no racing sailor, and it's been a few years since I did some blue water stuff, but during another conversation he tried telling me that to avoid a broach, head "UP" to luff the sail!!
He laughed at me when I said no, surely you mean come "off".
I wonder how many students he's told that to!
The Guy is definately a blagger. I'll play him along for a while I think
Had the time of my life in the summer, just getting a day sail on an old gaffer
I'm having doubts about this Guy I have working with me.
Now I'm no racing sailor, and it's been a few years since I did some blue water stuff, but during another conversation he tried telling me that to avoid a broach, head "UP" to luff the sail!!
He laughed at me when I said no, surely you mean come "off".
I wonder how many students he's told that to!
The Guy is definately a blagger. I'll play him along for a while I think
I tripped over a plaque on deck, and a fellow said to me, "that's where Nelson fell", I said I'm not surprised with that thing sticking up on deck! 
Seriously though, this thread has me wanting to go back on board. Next time I'm near Portsmouth I'll have another visit.
Not bothered if the top masts are on or not. She usually has some scaffolding up somewhere anyway.
It's a bit sad they had trouble finding a Blacksmith, shows how we are losing the old skills.
Seriously though, this thread has me wanting to go back on board. Next time I'm near Portsmouth I'll have another visit.
Not bothered if the top masts are on or not. She usually has some scaffolding up somewhere anyway.
It's a bit sad they had trouble finding a Blacksmith, shows how we are losing the old skills.
mickrick said:
It's a bit sad they had trouble finding a Blacksmith, shows how we are losing the old skills.
I suspect there were some - there are plenty of horses that needs shoeing - but they didn't have an EU ISO blah certificate to work on structures not permissible under blah rules of H&S yada.Which brings me onto the 'If Nelson was alive today' sketch but you've probably seen that.
I hadn't! Just found it though. Brilliant! 
For the benefit of anyone else who hasn't seen it....
Nelson: “Order the signal, Hardy.”
Hardy: “Aye, aye sir.”
Nelson: “Hold on, that’s not what I dictated to Flags. What’s the meaning of this?”
Hardy: “Sorry sir?”
Nelson (reading aloud): “‘England expects every person to do his or her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious persuasion or disability.’ – What gobbledegook is this?”
Hardy: “Admiralty policy, I’m afraid, sir. We’re an equal
opportunities employer now. We had the devil’s own job getting ‘England’ past the censors, lest it be considered racist.”
Nelson: “Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco.”
Hardy: “Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated smoke-free working environments.”
Nelson: “In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the
mainbrace to steel the men before battle.”
Hardy: “The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. Its part of the Government’s policy on binge drinking.”
Nelson: “Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we’d better get on
with it ……….. full speed ahead.”
Hardy: “I think you’ll find that there’s a 4 knot speed limit in this stretch of water.”
Nelson: “Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow’s nest please.”
Hardy: “That won’t be possible, sir.”
Nelson: “What?”
Hardy: “Health and Safety have closed the crow’s nest, sir. No harness, and they said that rope ladders don’t meet regulations. They won’t let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected.”
Nelson: “Then get me the ship’s carpenter without delay, Hardy.”
Hardy: “He’s busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the foredeck Admiral.”
Nelson: “Wheelchair access? I’ve never heard anything so absurd.”
Hardy: “Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free environment for the differently abled.”
Nelson: “Differently abled? I’ve only one arm and one eye and I
refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn’t rise to the rank of
admiral by playing the disability card.”
Hardy: “Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is under represented in the areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency.”
Nelson: “Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons.”
Hardy: “A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won’t let the crew up the rigging without hard hats. And they don’t want anyone breathing in too much salt – haven’t you seen the adverts?”
Nelson: “I’ve never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell the men to stand by to engage the enemy.”
Hardy: “The men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral.”
Nelson: “What? This is mutiny!”
Hardy: “It’s not that, sir. It’s just that they’re afraid of
being charged with murder if they actually kill anyone. There’s a couple of legal-aid lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks.”
Nelson: “Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?”
Hardy: “Actually, sir, we’re not.”
Nelson: “We’re not?”
Hardy: “No, sir. The French and the Spanish are our European partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn’t even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation.”
Nelson: “But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil.”
Hardy: “I wouldn’t let the ship’s diversity co-ordinator hear you saying that sir. You’ll be up on disciplinary report.”
Nelson: “You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of your King.”
Hardy: “Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age. Now put on your Kevlar vest; it’s the rules. It could save your life”
Nelson: “Don’t tell me – health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy and the lash?”
Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum is off the menu! And there’s a ban on corporal punishment.”
Nelson: “What about sodomy?”
Hardy: “I believe that is now legal, sir.”
Nelson: “In that case………………………….kiss me, Hardy.”
For the benefit of anyone else who hasn't seen it....
Nelson: “Order the signal, Hardy.”
Hardy: “Aye, aye sir.”
Nelson: “Hold on, that’s not what I dictated to Flags. What’s the meaning of this?”
Hardy: “Sorry sir?”
Nelson (reading aloud): “‘England expects every person to do his or her duty, regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religious persuasion or disability.’ – What gobbledegook is this?”
Hardy: “Admiralty policy, I’m afraid, sir. We’re an equal
opportunities employer now. We had the devil’s own job getting ‘England’ past the censors, lest it be considered racist.”
Nelson: “Gadzooks, Hardy. Hand me my pipe and tobacco.”
Hardy: “Sorry sir. All naval vessels have now been designated smoke-free working environments.”
Nelson: “In that case, break open the rum ration. Let us splice the
mainbrace to steel the men before battle.”
Hardy: “The rum ration has been abolished, Admiral. Its part of the Government’s policy on binge drinking.”
Nelson: “Good heavens, Hardy. I suppose we’d better get on
with it ……….. full speed ahead.”
Hardy: “I think you’ll find that there’s a 4 knot speed limit in this stretch of water.”
Nelson: “Damn it man! We are on the eve of the greatest sea battle in history. We must advance with all dispatch. Report from the crow’s nest please.”
Hardy: “That won’t be possible, sir.”
Nelson: “What?”
Hardy: “Health and Safety have closed the crow’s nest, sir. No harness, and they said that rope ladders don’t meet regulations. They won’t let anyone up there until a proper scaffolding can be erected.”
Nelson: “Then get me the ship’s carpenter without delay, Hardy.”
Hardy: “He’s busy knocking up a wheelchair access to the foredeck Admiral.”
Nelson: “Wheelchair access? I’ve never heard anything so absurd.”
Hardy: “Health and safety again, sir. We have to provide a barrier-free environment for the differently abled.”
Nelson: “Differently abled? I’ve only one arm and one eye and I
refuse even to hear mention of the word. I didn’t rise to the rank of
admiral by playing the disability card.”
Hardy: “Actually, sir, you did. The Royal Navy is under represented in the areas of visual impairment and limb deficiency.”
Nelson: “Whatever next? Give me full sail. The salt spray beckons.”
Hardy: “A couple of problems there too, sir. Health and safety won’t let the crew up the rigging without hard hats. And they don’t want anyone breathing in too much salt – haven’t you seen the adverts?”
Nelson: “I’ve never heard such infamy. Break out the cannon and tell the men to stand by to engage the enemy.”
Hardy: “The men are a bit worried about shooting at anyone, Admiral.”
Nelson: “What? This is mutiny!”
Hardy: “It’s not that, sir. It’s just that they’re afraid of
being charged with murder if they actually kill anyone. There’s a couple of legal-aid lawyers on board, watching everyone like hawks.”
Nelson: “Then how are we to sink the Frenchies and the Spanish?”
Hardy: “Actually, sir, we’re not.”
Nelson: “We’re not?”
Hardy: “No, sir. The French and the Spanish are our European partners now. According to the Common Fisheries Policy, we shouldn’t even be in this stretch of water. We could get hit with a claim for compensation.”
Nelson: “But you must hate a Frenchman as you hate the devil.”
Hardy: “I wouldn’t let the ship’s diversity co-ordinator hear you saying that sir. You’ll be up on disciplinary report.”
Nelson: “You must consider every man an enemy, who speaks ill of your King.”
Hardy: “Not any more, sir. We must be inclusive in this multicultural age. Now put on your Kevlar vest; it’s the rules. It could save your life”
Nelson: “Don’t tell me – health and safety. Whatever happened to rum, sodomy and the lash?”
Hardy: As I explained, sir, rum is off the menu! And there’s a ban on corporal punishment.”
Nelson: “What about sodomy?”
Hardy: “I believe that is now legal, sir.”
Nelson: “In that case………………………….kiss me, Hardy.”
mickrick said:
I love it!
"Go straight at em" !
Talking to my deckie today, and we where talking about MOB manouvers.
He's a RYA instructor with fk all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.
I told him if you fk about with all this letting the boat drift down bullsyte, I'll blood your nose, just do a Nelson!
Anyway, I love the Victory!
If you do a Nelson how are you going to stop alongside the MOB?"Go straight at em" !
Talking to my deckie today, and we where talking about MOB manouvers.
He's a RYA instructor with f
k all practical skills. All mouth and trousers in other words.I told him if you f
k about with all this letting the boat drift down bullsyte, I'll blood your nose, just do a Nelson!Anyway, I love the Victory!
I was always taught 1) appoint spotter 2) crash tack to an instant heave-to never minding gear damage 3) hit MOB on the GPS 4) chuck over the danbuoy and the lifebelt on a long line 5) tell the MOB to grab it / swim to the boat. Not quite RYA, but quite reassuring to know on a dark and bumpy night in the Celtic Sea.
Broach - depends whether caused by a spinnaker or the main; if former, bear away; if latter, maybe best to head up. There is a good film 'White Squall' ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Squall_%28film%... ) where this decision is fundamental - it is based on an actual sinking and the book 'Tall Ships Down' also analyses it.
Victory - tremendous ship!
I would rather someone put the boat next to me thank you. But yes I agree with your tactics 
All this 6 boatlegths, tack, come up on a fine reach stuff is all very well with a fender and a bucket.
As for the broach situation, obviously if you're hard on the wind anyway you're unlikely to broach, and it's easy to luff up.
But you don't need to have a spinnaker up to broach. Headsail poled out for instance.
I've done enough helming for it to become instinctive. I come off.
There's a difference between having the knowlage, and having experience, it seems to me that my deckie doesn't have the latter unfortunately. But he can teach..
Incidentally, the only times I have ever been aground, have been with an RYA instructor. Several times.
All this 6 boatlegths, tack, come up on a fine reach stuff is all very well with a fender and a bucket.As for the broach situation, obviously if you're hard on the wind anyway you're unlikely to broach, and it's easy to luff up.
But you don't need to have a spinnaker up to broach. Headsail poled out for instance.
I've done enough helming for it to become instinctive. I come off.
There's a difference between having the knowlage, and having experience, it seems to me that my deckie doesn't have the latter unfortunately. But he can teach..
Incidentally, the only times I have ever been aground, have been with an RYA instructor. Several times.
Edited by mickrick on Tuesday 13th November 08:19
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