clophill crew exclusive trackday
Discussion
okay guys, sun is shining, 2013 is here.... time for me to get organising.....
just got off the phone, how many would sign up to a exclusive trackday....
i want to know definate in's.... no maybe's please......
would be a monday in march,
we would have the track all day, so no concerns re over crowding, racing corsa's etc...
if 40 people sign up, cost would be just over 100£ each,
fact is i am not going to pound round the track all day, the brakes won't cope....
aim would be to get people out for a bit in smaller groups....
i'm not going to be mega restrictive in marquee as a result, we all know how we drive, so groups would be matched and accordingly controlled.....
obviously i'm in.....
just got off the phone, how many would sign up to a exclusive trackday....
i want to know definate in's.... no maybe's please......
would be a monday in march,
we would have the track all day, so no concerns re over crowding, racing corsa's etc...
if 40 people sign up, cost would be just over 100£ each,
fact is i am not going to pound round the track all day, the brakes won't cope....
aim would be to get people out for a bit in smaller groups....
i'm not going to be mega restrictive in marquee as a result, we all know how we drive, so groups would be matched and accordingly controlled.....
obviously i'm in.....
Evo9lution said:
I have contact details for Club MSV (though that may be the person you've already spoken to Mohan) at Brands and also someone from Silverstone if anybody is interested in either of those circuits. I have the price list for Silverstone as well ...
brands is a bit of a trek, silverstone sounds good.... are the sound levels any better there.....?actually spoke with bedford (?palmersport) direct, also have a contact to call at msv...
daz, what would silverstone cost..... the beds price is 100ish each if 40 go.... less can go, but then costs go up.....
70proof said:
brands is a bit of a trek, silverstone sounds good.... are the sound levels any better there.....?
actually spoke with bedford (?palmersport) direct, also have a contact to call at msv...
daz, what would silverstone cost..... the beds price is 100ish each if 40 go.... less can go, but then costs go up.....
Two tracks there really as the others (e.g. GP circuit) are really a lot more expensive.actually spoke with bedford (?palmersport) direct, also have a contact to call at msv...
daz, what would silverstone cost..... the beds price is 100ish each if 40 go.... less can go, but then costs go up.....
Costs for March (assuming 40 cars) - 9am to 5pm:
National Circuit (1.63m): £207 pp - National Pits Straight, Copse, Maggots, Wellington Straight, Brooklands, Luffield, Woodcote - 42 car limit
International Circuit (1.969m): £206 pp - International Pits Straight, Abbey, Farm, Village, The Link, Hangar Straight, Stowe, Vale, Club - 48 car limit
Or, for better pits etc. International Circuit - Silverstone Wing Pit & Paddock: 249 pp
Quite a lot more expensive but it is Silverstone ...
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I can send you the brochure if you want to drop me an e-mail
Edited by Evo9lution on Friday 15th February 22:25
Edited by Evo9lution on Friday 15th February 22:25
Around 40 cars is a very small and privileged number for an open pit lane day on almost any circuit.
IMO Silverstone is not Silverstone unless it's the GP circuit.
An idea for next time (it's too late to organize it for March now)
could be to share the cost with another club, each 'club' having exclusive use of the GP circuit for 30 minutes each hour.
If members of the 'crew' have not had trackday experience, the National would be fine but anybody who has track experience would probably find it deathly dull (just 4 corners).
Despite having done about 90 trackdays I've not driven the International in its
new incarnation, but it does lack Copse, Maggots, Becketts, Chapel, an awesome
combination of corners.
IMO Silverstone is not Silverstone unless it's the GP circuit.
An idea for next time (it's too late to organize it for March now)
could be to share the cost with another club, each 'club' having exclusive use of the GP circuit for 30 minutes each hour.
If members of the 'crew' have not had trackday experience, the National would be fine but anybody who has track experience would probably find it deathly dull (just 4 corners).
Despite having done about 90 trackdays I've not driven the International in its
new incarnation, but it does lack Copse, Maggots, Becketts, Chapel, an awesome
combination of corners.
Elderly said:
Around 40 cars is a very small and privileged number for an open pit lane day on almost any circuit.
IMO Silverstone is not Silverstone unless it's the GP circuit.
An idea for next time (it's too late to organize it for March now)
could be to share the cost with another club, each 'club' having exclusive use of the GP circuit for 30 minutes each hour.
If members of the 'crew' have not had trackday experience, the National would be fine but anybody who has track experience would probably find it deathly dull (just 4 corners).
Despite having done about 90 trackdays I've not driven the International in its
new incarnation, but it does lack Copse, Maggots, Becketts, Chapel, an awesome
combination of corners.
If you up it to the maximum of 62 cars, you get the Grand Prix circuit for £281 pp. That is quite a lot of commitment for a 'private' trackday.IMO Silverstone is not Silverstone unless it's the GP circuit.
An idea for next time (it's too late to organize it for March now)
could be to share the cost with another club, each 'club' having exclusive use of the GP circuit for 30 minutes each hour.
If members of the 'crew' have not had trackday experience, the National would be fine but anybody who has track experience would probably find it deathly dull (just 4 corners).
Despite having done about 90 trackdays I've not driven the International in its
new incarnation, but it does lack Copse, Maggots, Becketts, Chapel, an awesome
combination of corners.
I think the other point is that having fewer corners is kinder on the brakes and transmission and some of these cars are pretty expensive to replace parts on. Plus, not all of us have trackday experience so the first time out, one of the smaller circuits may be the most appropriate.
Thanks for the input though as it's definitely food for thought
[Changed 'cars' for 'commitment' as that's what I meant
]Edited by Evo9lution on Sunday 17th February 00:59
Evo9lution said:
If you up it to the maximum of 62 cars, you get the Grand Prix circuit for £281 pp. That is quite a lot of cars for a 'private' trackday.
How many people do you think you could get to commit?I've helped organise a few days myself and I've found it SO hard to extract
a commitment (money well in advance) from people.
It makes no difference to the circuit owners whether you run Open Pit or Sessioned,
nor how many punters you sell the day to, so long as you never go over the circuit's limit at any one time.
It tends to work like this: Say a circuit limit is 45 cars at any one time (bare in mind that running at the circuit's limit is never a pleasant experience for the participants). You either sell to 90 people and run three 30 car, 20 minute sessions per hour; the circuit will always have 30 cars on track at any one time.
Or you sell todouble the circuit limit (45x2) and run Open Pit, people will pay more for OP.
The reality of this latter scenario is that sometimes there might be 45 cars out there, the (crowded) circuit limit but sometimes there might be just a handful of people out.
Evo9lution said:
I think the other point is that having fewer corners is kinder on the brakes and transmission and some of these cars are pretty expensive to replace parts on. Plus, not all of us have trackday experience so the first time out, one of the smaller circuits may be the most appropriate.
Those without trackday experience need a simple circuit in terms of learningthe circuit, but smaller in itself is not necessarily simpler (Silverstone National IS simple) but smaller can mean more crowded, and less opportunity for passing (the National is good for passing places).
But fewer corners doesn't necessarily mean kinder on brakes;
although there are only four corners on the National, two of them are very slow and hence require very hard stops. On the GP after braking for Luffield,all the following 6 or so corners are very fast requiring little braking until you get all the way round to Club. Mile for mile, and/or time out on circuit, I would think that the
National is harder on brakes than the GP.
Transmission's not an issue, the only time it can take a beating is from a standing start and being a trackday (not a race) that's down to the common sense of the driver.
If I'm teaching you to suck eggs please excuse me but if you want to PM me
with your number, I'd be happy to chat.
Personally, I found the National rather boring after an hour or so. Its beginner friendly certainly and easy to pass on as its wide. But it's not got enough to it to keep interest up for a whole day.
In terms of numbers, 40 is pretty low for a track day and in open pitlane format 60 is fine.
I doubt you'd get 40 though and the only way this will really work is in partnership with another group or with an existing operator.
In terms of numbers, 40 is pretty low for a track day and in open pitlane format 60 is fine.
I doubt you'd get 40 though and the only way this will really work is in partnership with another group or with an existing operator.
Thanks for the input everyone All extremely useful information.
The lady I was speaking to at Silverstone actually suggested that November may be the best month to run the trackday. Her reasoning is that the weather should be ok and the price is actually cheaper than March (£244 pp for the GP circuit if you get the 62 cars).
Regarding the car limit, I agree that 40 cars is not many for a trackday itself but could be quite a lot from the commitment side of things? In my experience, it can be hard getting people to commit to a charity pub quiz ...
Maybe things to think about and get input in from others is:
- Do we want to limit to around 40 cars with OP or increase #s and run sessions or semi-OP with on-track limits (think this would be hard to manage - just know that this is what the Evo trackday evenings do)?
- Do we want to say March or November (or other)? Is March too soon to get the commitment of numbers required? I think that Elderly is correct here and that it probably is.
- If we want more cars, do we want to open this up to other forums: - other PHers, Stuttgart 9's, MLR, GTROC etc.?
- Are there other tracks that we could consider that may offer us a good option without too much of a journey and are too noise restrictive? If Brands is too far and Bedford too restrictive, is there anywhere else other than Silverstone that we can consider?
- If we are thinking Silverstone, does anyone have any views on the International Circuit (will this also be too small / boring for a full day?) or are we really thinking that it has to be GP?
Regarding organisation input, I'm happy to take as much or as little as wanted. I'm quite experienced at booking events for mates / work colleagues etc. but not trackdays so any advice / help would be appreciated.
All extremely useful information.The lady I was speaking to at Silverstone actually suggested that November may be the best month to run the trackday. Her reasoning is that the weather should be ok and the price is actually cheaper than March (£244 pp for the GP circuit if you get the 62 cars).
Regarding the car limit, I agree that 40 cars is not many for a trackday itself but could be quite a lot from the commitment side of things? In my experience, it can be hard getting people to commit to a charity pub quiz ...
Maybe things to think about and get input in from others is:
- Do we want to limit to around 40 cars with OP or increase #s and run sessions or semi-OP with on-track limits (think this would be hard to manage - just know that this is what the Evo trackday evenings do)?
- Do we want to say March or November (or other)? Is March too soon to get the commitment of numbers required? I think that Elderly is correct here and that it probably is.
- If we want more cars, do we want to open this up to other forums: - other PHers, Stuttgart 9's, MLR, GTROC etc.?
- Are there other tracks that we could consider that may offer us a good option without too much of a journey and are too noise restrictive? If Brands is too far and Bedford too restrictive, is there anywhere else other than Silverstone that we can consider?
- If we are thinking Silverstone, does anyone have any views on the International Circuit (will this also be too small / boring for a full day?) or are we really thinking that it has to be GP?
Regarding organisation input, I'm happy to take as much or as little as wanted. I'm quite experienced at booking events for mates / work colleagues etc. but not trackdays so any advice / help would be appreciated.
Edited by Evo9lution on Sunday 17th February 01:10
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