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Of the models currently on sale this is the closest:
REFERENCE
3570.50.00
http://www.omegawatches.com/index.php?id=303
The difference between the current model and the period watches is the movement. The originals used cal.321 whereas the current model uses a cal.1861. The cal.861 (the non rhodium plated version of the 1861) has been tested and qualified for flight operations.
REFERENCE
3570.50.00
http://www.omegawatches.com/index.php?id=303
The difference between the current model and the period watches is the movement. The originals used cal.321 whereas the current model uses a cal.1861. The cal.861 (the non rhodium plated version of the 1861) has been tested and qualified for flight operations.
I know what you mean, there are loads. You need to get yourself over to www.tz-uk.com and speak with the chaps there.
I am a member and when the time is right (i.e. when the funds are available) I will be picking their collective brains with exactly the same question.
I am a member and when the time is right (i.e. when the funds are available) I will be picking their collective brains with exactly the same question.
To answer the question of which watches actually went to the moon then you'd need a 145.012 with a cal.321 movement.
The best source of this information is here:
http://www.chronomaddox.com/
Unfortunately, the best authority on moonwatches is no longer with us.
The best source of this information is here:
http://www.chronomaddox.com/
Unfortunately, the best authority on moonwatches is no longer with us.
Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 1st September 14:50
Stitch said:
Thanks for the responses
Cmdr Bond - will you be buying yours from Cope's?
It will be a while before the funds are available, just splashed out on a Glycine Airman 2000 from a guy in Spain. If I am still in the country then I will definatley go and have a look at Cope's, but also have a look at Berrys as well.Cmdr Bond - will you be buying yours from Cope's?
Edited by Stitch on Monday 1st September 14:28
But, by the time the funds are available then will probably be living in Canada and will have to seek one out over there.
El stovey said:
Nobody really knows if an 861 watch went to the moon or not.
Quite so. It is possible that one may have gone, but rather improbable. There is about as much information as is known on that matter here:http://chronomaddox.com/moonmovement.html
El stovey said:
What is knows is that NASA only bought some 321 watches during the Mercury programme and Omega changed to the 861 very early in the Apollo programme.
Indeed. See link above.I have an 1861 (current model) and am always on the lookout for a cal.321 - 145.012 at the right price. I'm in no hurry so I'll just wait for the right one to come along. Still, if a 376.0822 comes along at the right price first I'll be having that instead.
Edited by Strangely Brown on Monday 1st September 20:14
cannedheat said:
Stitch said:
Thanks for the responses
Cmdr Bond - will you be buying yours from Cope's?
I bought my Snoopy Speedy from Cope in Nottingham. Great service, Andrew Cope is such a helpful chap.Cmdr Bond - will you be buying yours from Cope's?
Edited by Stitch on Monday 1st September 14:28
both give discount. If you want one that resembles the moon watch then you want a full size, hand wound, acrylic crystal and solid back. Think th emodel number is 3570.50
I just happen to be wearing mine today:
and the back
If you want one that is more or less identical then as others have said you'll need to be looking for a pre-69 watch a 321 movement and be prepared to pay big bucks.
One like mine will be comfortably less than £1k used.
I just happen to be wearing mine today:
and the back
If you want one that is more or less identical then as others have said you'll need to be looking for a pre-69 watch a 321 movement and be prepared to pay big bucks.
One like mine will be comfortably less than £1k used.
tertius said:
If you want one that resembles the moon watch then you want a full size, hand wound, acrylic crystal and solid back. Think th emodel number is 3570.50
The current moonwatch is a flight qualified model. The [current] 1861 movement has been used since 1996 and is just a rhodium pated version of the [earlier] 861 which had been used since 1968. The only difference, apart from the plating, is that a single part was changed from a metal to a synthetic part for better wear and self-lubrication. Note: This part change is not used in the display back model, the original metal part is retained. This is because Omega didn't want display-back owners seeing the synthetic part. Finally, a single additional jewel has been added, making 18. It is, to all intents and purposes, the same movement.Has an 861 family watch been to the moon? Probably not (see earlier link). Has it flown? Yes, certainly, and AFAIK is still in use today for EVAs.
Thanks again.
pre-69 watch is a no-no for me.
Choice seems to be between a display backed watch which has all metal parts in the movement or a more authentic looking solid back but with the plastic part.
Interesting decision......
Then to decide on which order to get the Speedie and the Bell & Ross Vintage XL
pre-69 watch is a no-no for me.
Choice seems to be between a display backed watch which has all metal parts in the movement or a more authentic looking solid back but with the plastic part.
Interesting decision......
Then to decide on which order to get the Speedie and the Bell & Ross Vintage XL
Stitch said:
pre-69 watch is a no-no for me.
Any particular reason? A well looked after pre-68 model will be just as reliable as a current model.Stitch said:
Choice seems to be between a display backed watch which has all metal parts in the movement or a more authentic looking solid back but with the plastic part.
I have just re-read what I wrote and it's not as clear as I intended. The difference - the "plastic" part - is between the 861 and the 1861. Not the 321 and the 861. Just so that is clear as my previous post doesn't make it so.If you want a flight qualified model without the "plastic" part and don't really want a display back then you could simply buy a pre-96 model. There are plenty of those around at reasonable prices.
Edited by Strangely Brown on Tuesday 2nd September 14:16
El stovey said:
The plastic part on the 861 is the brake which is replaced with a metal one in the 863 display back movement. The 863 is certainly not flight tested and didn't go to the moon if that's what you're on about.
The 861 (pre 1996) is flight tested and is very unlikely to have gone to the moon although nobody knows for sure. AFAIK it is still in use today for EVAs. The 1861 (post 1996) is the rhodium plated 861 with the "plastic" brake and extra jewel. The movement in the display back model is the 1863 and is basically the 1861 with a metal brake instead of Delryn.I don't know of any NASA testing after 1978.
http://www.clubspeedmaster.com/space/tests.htm
Strangely Brown said:
El stovey said:
The plastic part on the 861 is the brake which is replaced with a metal one in the 863 display back movement. The 863 is certainly not flight tested and didn't go to the moon if that's what you're on about.
The 861 (pre 1996) is flight tested and is very unlikely to have gone to the moon although nobody knows for sure. AFAIK it is still in use today for EVAs. The 1861 (post 1996) is the rhodium plated 861 with the "plastic" brake and extra jewel. The movement in the display back model is the 1863 and is basically the 1861 with a metal brake instead of Delryn.I don't know of any NASA testing after 1978.
http://www.clubspeedmaster.com/space/tests.htm
The hesalite is preferable in a zero gravity environment because it won't shatter releasing shards to float around. It is however soft and scratches easily.
The sapphire crystals on the display back model are as hard as a hard thing and don't scratch, making it more durable in the everyday, gravity bound world.
I've had one for a few years now and love it. I'd recommend it to anyone.
WJH said:
Another consideration is that the display back c.1863 has sapphire crystals front and back rather than the hesalite crystal on the c.1861.
Only the very latest model. All the others have a hesalite face and sapphire display back. The latest one has the incorrect "First and only watch worn on the moon" inscription also.
WJH said:
El stovey said:
Only the very latest model. All the others have a hesalite face and sapphire display back.
The latest one has the incorrect "First and only watch worn on the moon" inscription also.
What other watches have been worn on the moon?The latest one has the incorrect "First and only watch worn on the moon" inscription also.
See here: http://www.chronomaddox.com/moonmovement.html
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