Replica Rolex

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Blukoo

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3,812 posts

204 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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My dad is after a fake Rolex. An Oyster Perpetual to be precise...


He looked into getting a real one, but he says the thought of spending 5k on a watch is obsurd. Makes sense I guess considdering he still buys his jeans from Asda for £4 a pair.

Anyway, I was wandering if any of you know where to buy a good replica, or would you avoid them all together?

Thanks in advance.

dumbfunk

1,727 posts

291 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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I think you may find that replica is a bit of a dirty word around here.
In your position I would always choose to spend whatever budget I had on the best product available and would suggest that the engineering in top brand knock-offs is unlikely to be the best use of your cash.

There are plenty of nice watches at all price points - what did you want to spend? Maybe we can suggest an alternative?



dumbfunk

Blukoo

Original Poster:

3,812 posts

204 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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He used to have a fake Rolex. He bought it in Florida 25 years ago for about £20 and it just broke about a month ago. Since then he's been after another.

Its not just for the 'Rolex' name, he just really likes the style of the Oyster Perpetual Day & Date.

Budget isn't really a problem. If he needs to, he probably will splash out for the real thing, but he would like to try and find a cheaper alternative first.

andy tims

5,593 posts

253 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Blukoo said:
Budget isn't really a problem. If he needs to, he probably will splash out for the real thing, but he would like to try and find a cheaper alternative first.
He should try to get a pre-owned one. Loads of sources including our own Dominic H

dumbfunk

1,727 posts

291 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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That's a good call - I bought my Tag used for 40% off and it was virtually unworn.
I bought from www.watches.co.uk and they were incredibly helpful.


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Blukoo

Original Poster:

3,812 posts

204 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Thanks for your input guys! thumbup

andy tims

5,593 posts

253 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Dominic's site here http://www.hacket ttches.com/

As mentioned above watches.co.uk a potentially good source as are Second Time Round.


cyberface

12,214 posts

264 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Will someone FFS fix the utterly embarrassing 'censor' filter that has a problem with the word 'wris ttch' on a fking WATCH forum rolleyes

I know it's advertising and I don't know Dominic nor do I know whether his firm is good or not - but his link is unusable due to the filter and the obvious hacket watches dot com doesn't work either.

chris.mapey

4,778 posts

274 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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cyberface said:
Will someone FFS fix the utterly embarrassing 'censor' filter that has a problem with the word 'wris ttch' on a fking WATCH forum rolleyes

I know it's advertising and I don't know Dominic nor do I know whether his firm is good or not - but his link is unusable due to the filter and the obvious hacket watches dot com doesn't work either.
Try w w w.h a c k e t t w a t c h e s . c o m or tches.com' target='_blank'>clicky (hehe - the swear filter even hacks up an url tag rolleyes...)

HTH and I'm not advertising, as I have no affiliation to them wink

Chris

Edited by chris.mapey on Monday 7th April 22:01


Edited by chris.mapey on Monday 7th April 22:03

Dominic H

3,277 posts

239 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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cyberface said:
Will someone FFS fix the utterly embarrassing 'censor' filter that has a problem with the word 'wris ttch' on a fking WATCH forum rolleyes

I know it's advertising and I don't know Dominic nor do I know whether his firm is good or not - but his link is unusable due to the filter and the obvious hacket watches dot com doesn't work either.
Very amusing.... A friend of mine Craig Lock is also a watch dealer, the initial from his first name and his surname spell 'Clock', very apt.
It had never occurred to me that using my name against 'watches' would trigger the swear filter in a rather amusing manner......D.Hackett

cyberface

12,214 posts

264 months

Monday 7th April 2008
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Holst said:
tches.com' target='_blank'>hackett watches

Try clicking that one biggrin

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Edited by Holst on Monday 7th April 21:28


Edited by Holst on Monday 7th April 21:30
Your code should work, but right now at 21:32 on my browser it doesn't. PH forum code rolleyes

kippax

2,788 posts

256 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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Can't see that particular model but I have used this site in the past for watches for work http://www.rolex2u.com/list.php?category_id=5


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cyberface

12,214 posts

264 months

Tuesday 8th April 2008
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Dominic H said:
cyberface said:
Will someone FFS fix the utterly embarrassing 'censor' filter that has a problem with the word 'wris ttch' on a fking WATCH forum rolleyes

I know it's advertising and I don't know Dominic nor do I know whether his firm is good or not - but his link is unusable due to the filter and the obvious hacket watches dot com doesn't work either.
Very amusing.... A friend of mine Craig Lock is also a watch dealer, the initial from his first name and his surname spell 'Clock', very apt.
It had never occurred to me that using my name against 'watches' would trigger the swear filter in a rather amusing manner......D.Hackett
Most certainly wasn't having a go at you nor your firm, you seem very helpful on this board so I have nothing bad to say about you. I was ranting at PH's appalling forum code that, in an a ridiculous attempt to 'censor' words (as if profanity and filth can't be communicated through other means than spelling an obscene word correctly), has prevented me from being able to browse your website.

It wasn't that hard - I tried Hackett with two 't's and it worked - you haven't got what I'm looking for though smile

PH is probably an entertaining diversion for you, but I'd not be 'amused' if my website address got mangled whereas a competitor did not - there are plenty of helpful, contributory members on PH over the years who, due to their assistance and knowledge on the forums, got business as a result. I'm sure Jamie Beeston wouldn't turn his nose up at the business he's attracted over on the Computers forum, for example, he's highly regarded there.


Anyway as this is a thread about replica Rolexes it's well off topic.

The following is another Cyberface rant - and nothing to do with you Dominic so please don't associate this reply to you, it's a reply to the original poster who asked about fake watches. Back to the topic - if you want a fake Rolex, then (trying hard to put myself in that position) I'd seek out a good quality mechanical, plain stainless steel one. I don't agree with counterfeit goods, but equally I despise hypocrisy so I won't make judgements because I'm sure I have habits that you equally disagree with. I like watches and commute by train to the City. That means I get to see a lot of watches - I don't stare at people but it's interesting to see what people wear and the popularity of certain brands, and the change in fashions over the years. What this amateur man-on-the-train observation has taught me, however, is that anything other than a *good* fake is instantly obvious to anyone who has any interest in watches. And the trouble is that I don't know anyone who likes watches who wouldn't immediately consider the fake-wearer a dishonest thief, regardless of whether the fake-wearer is actually a good bloke who just likes the shape but can't afford a real one.

Now it may be that the person concerned states that he doesn't give two hoots what other people think about him - but being considered a dishonest thief (due to counterfeit goods) is not something that will do you any good. So if a fake Rolex is desired - and a second hand, dirty one that just needs a good polish or perhaps a replacement crystal (you can get genuine watches cheaply if they are in poor external condition... and most Rolexes have tough movements that will still keep good time even if the case / bracelet looks like it's been kicked around) is still over budget, then IMO you have to get a top-end 'replica'.

The trouble is that the good replica Rolexes (with decent mechanical movements, which aren't expensive, even Swiss ones from ETA, though a Japanese movement is more common, and just as good in many respects) cost a few hundreds of pounds. And you can get ripped off very easily - i.e. pay for a top-class £500 replica and get sent a £50 chinese cheapo. And the companies that sell such products aren't easy to take to court... since you're committing a crime (technically) by buying counterfeit goods in the first place. So internet purchases of the 'best' replicas are fraught with danger.

My recommendation of a plain (no complications) stainless steel fake Rolex would be safe enough - but many fake watches don't even use stainless steel - they make the case and bracelet out of brass and then plate it with nickel or something - this means the watch lasts about a couple of weeks before either reacting badly with the sweat from the wearer's wrist and going green, or scratches / general wear showing the brass under the 'steel' exterior - an obvious giveaway and embarrassment.

A gold watch is a different story. There are many different grades out there - from the cheapest electroplating possible to 'rolled gold'. The gold plating wearing off isn't quite as instantly FAKE as a 'stainless steel' watch showing brass, since gold and brass are closer in colour, but any cheap fake will be still obviously snide. A good replica gold Rolex is going to cost a few hundred quid. Anything less than that simply isn't worth it IMO - it'll be obviously fake, and will embarrass the owner.

The trouble is that whilst a properly done 'good' replica Rolex is a good watch in its own right (it will have a ETA Swiss movement, classic design, and the good ones are made properly with bracelets almost as good as the real thing including screws instead of pins for the links, etc.) - you can get a good honest watch for that sort of money. Some of the Rolex designs (especially the Submariner!) have been copied by so many watch firms that you can get a 'real' honest watch that looks like a Rolex anyway. For a few hundred quid you can even get a watch with a mechanical movement designed and made in-house, with all parts made and assembled by the same house... (Seiko, if you were wondering, who may cater to the cheaper quartz end of the market in the UK but are a proper manufacture IMO). If you just like the design of the Rolex, then there will be plenty of other manufacturers with their name on the watch but the case and bracelet looks *very* much like the Rolex.

If what matters is the name printed on the face of the watch, and it HAS to be 'ROLEX' then you have to get a fake. And the only reason that would be more important than a much better watch from a different brand, is if you want other people to believe you wear a Rolex. And if you want people to believe you wear a Rolex, then the fake has to be good. Seriously, there are fakes out there that can fool watch dealers. But you're best off going to the places they sell these things (Dubai? Hong Kong?) and taking a look yourself at the different grades on offer. I would sincerely recommend you don't try to buy a top-end replica watch off the internet - it's too easy for a company selling illegal goods to take $1000 for a Swiss-movement, thick-gold-plate 'perfect' replica, only to send you a quartz fake with obvious pins in the links and thin gold plate. What comeback do you have - especially if they won't take credit cards...

It's not my style but if I was doing this I'd go to Hong Kong after doing research as to where the 'good' counterfeiters sell their wares, and check out the ranges they offer (all fake watches are done in different 'grades' from obviously fake to frighteningly accurate). Then see if you like the price.

M5 Russ

2,244 posts

199 months

Friday 13th June 2008
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Just buy a 2nd hand real Rolex - you wont regret it plus it will have a resale value.

cyberface

12,214 posts

264 months

Friday 13th June 2008
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Oddly enough after my rant and some more research, I've softened my position somewhat on the issue.

Apologies if I came across 'holier-than-thou' - I most certainly am not... but let's just say I've had the wool pulled from over my eyes when it comes to some of the so-called 'premium' brand watch 'manufactures'.

Yes, Patek, Vacheron, JLC, Blancpain, Breguet, etc. - no competition and rightly so, they deserve the prices they charge. Equally for the smaller players and some of the Germans. But there are so many 'Swiss' watch companies out there producing watches that look a 'bit' like a Rolex Sub (OK, in fact a hell of a lot like a Rolex Sub) but with enough difference to avoid lawsuits (mainly a different case back) - and offering them to 'marketing' companies who will print their name on the dial and then charge $450, which is preposterous.

Then you've got real, well-known manufactures like Franck Muller who, at their top end, make incredible complications and really interesting watches... but at their entry level, sell a simple, no-complication ETA 2893 movement watch (perfect replica buildable for around $250) for $16000.

There is a vast amount of FUD and snobbery around the use of ETA movements in 'posh' watches. IWC claim that yes, it started as an ETA but they've made so many changes it may as well be a different movement. Plenty of others say the same. At least Sinn et al have the balls to say they just dropped in the ETA 'better' version and focus on the technology they offer in their cases (titanium, tegimented steel, oil filling, copper sulphate anti-humidity capsule, etc.)

There's no way of telling this without being intimately familiar with the base ETA movement and then taking the back off the IWC / Breitling etc. and really seeing whether they've done anything more than decorate the movement.

As a result, there's a large degree of hypocrisy and rip-off pisstakes in the world of 'reputable' Swiss watches. Rolex actually make their own movements, so no replica will be 100% accurate, whereas there are Breitling and IWC reps out there that are literally identical parts... the assembly may not be as good, but you can rectify that yourself. But Rolex get the most attention, because of the status-symbol image.

And, due to the availability of CNC machines to the Chinese, I can now state for a fact that you can pick up a Sub copy that would fool most watch enthusiasts until they got to wind it / shake it and feel the movement rotate... for $108. For $300, you get a Sub copy that comes with a top-end ETA 2836 and is only distinguishable by taking the back off and seeing the ETA movement. These guys check the depth of the rehaut to tenths of millimetres... they are that anal about it.

Hopefully this, along with the Chinese tourbillon (they, like the Japanese before them, are now moving from copying other people's watches to starting to design their own) will spur the Swiss into making more innovative movements, rather than sitting back on their 'heritage' and 'tradition' and charging massive prices for snob value.

So, if you want a fake Rolex, get a good one and some tools and tidy it up yourself when it arrives. You will probably need to... and it'll get you started in a new hobby as well. After all, if you can service the ETAs that come in all the fakes, you can service more than half the 'prestige' Swiss brands out there anyway evil

(yes, I know there are different grades of ETA movement. I also know that the replica boys, and most probably the Débaufré / Robert types as well, can't get hold of Swiss ETA movements because Swatch won't sell them to them - equally Breitling and IWC are buying up as many movements as they can because their business depends on them, and a recent-ish Swiss competition court ruling said ETA had to stop selling complete movements as it was driving out the small players. Real Swiss ETA costs money. Happily, ETA set up a factory in China to make movements 'not for export outside China'... rolleyes And do you think that's adhered to? The Chinese factory ensured enough ETAs were available to the Chinese for the movements to be completely stripped down and reverse-engineered, and now there are complete factories selling ETA copies, which by and large are as reliable and well made as the real thing. It's the same design, built by robots - use the same materials and you get the same product)

markomah

652 posts

226 months

Saturday 14th June 2008
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cyberface said:
Oddly enough after my rant and some more research, I've softened my position somewhat on the issue.

Apologies if I came across 'holier-than-thou' - I most certainly am not... but let's just say I've had the wool pulled from over my eyes when it comes to some of the so-called 'premium' brand watch 'manufactures'.

Yes, Patek, Vacheron, JLC, Blancpain, Breguet, etc. - no competition and rightly so, they deserve the prices they charge. Equally for the smaller players and some of the Germans. But there are so many 'Swiss' watch companies out there producing watches that look a 'bit' like a Rolex Sub (OK, in fact a hell of a lot like a Rolex Sub) but with enough difference to avoid lawsuits (mainly a different case back) - and offering them to 'marketing' companies who will print their name on the dial and then charge $450, which is preposterous.

Then you've got real, well-known manufactures like Franck Muller who, at their top end, make incredible complications and really interesting watches... but at their entry level, sell a simple, no-complication ETA 2893 movement watch (perfect replica buildable for around $250) for $16000.

There is a vast amount of FUD and snobbery around the use of ETA movements in 'posh' watches. IWC claim that yes, it started as an ETA but they've made so many changes it may as well be a different movement. Plenty of others say the same. At least Sinn et al have the balls to say they just dropped in the ETA 'better' version and focus on the technology they offer in their cases (titanium, tegimented steel, oil filling, copper sulphate anti-humidity capsule, etc.)

There's no way of telling this without being intimately familiar with the base ETA movement and then taking the back off the IWC / Breitling etc. and really seeing whether they've done anything more than decorate the movement.

As a result, there's a large degree of hypocrisy and rip-off pisstakes in the world of 'reputable' Swiss watches. Rolex actually make their own movements, so no replica will be 100% accurate, whereas there are Breitling and IWC reps out there that are literally identical parts... the assembly may not be as good, but you can rectify that yourself. But Rolex get the most attention, because of the status-symbol image.

And, due to the availability of CNC machines to the Chinese, I can now state for a fact that you can pick up a Sub copy that would fool most watch enthusiasts until they got to wind it / shake it and feel the movement rotate... for $108. For $300, you get a Sub copy that comes with a top-end ETA 2836 and is only distinguishable by taking the back off and seeing the ETA movement. These guys check the depth of the rehaut to tenths of millimetres... they are that anal about it.

Hopefully this, along with the Chinese tourbillon (they, like the Japanese before them, are now moving from copying other people's watches to starting to design their own) will spur the Swiss into making more innovative movements, rather than sitting back on their 'heritage' and 'tradition' and charging massive prices for snob value.

So, if you want a fake Rolex, get a good one and some tools and tidy it up yourself when it arrives. You will probably need to... and it'll get you started in a new hobby as well. After all, if you can service the ETAs that come in all the fakes, you can service more than half the 'prestige' Swiss brands out there anyway evil

(yes, I know there are different grades of ETA movement. I also know that the replica boys, and most probably the Débaufré / Robert types as well, can't get hold of Swiss ETA movements because Swatch won't sell them to them - equally Breitling and IWC are buying up as many movements as they can because their business depends on them, and a recent-ish Swiss competition court ruling said ETA had to stop selling complete movements as it was driving out the small players. Real Swiss ETA costs money. Happily, ETA set up a factory in China to make movements 'not for export outside China'... rolleyes And do you think that's adhered to? The Chinese factory ensured enough ETAs were available to the Chinese for the movements to be completely stripped down and reverse-engineered, and now there are complete factories selling ETA copies, which by and large are as reliable and well made as the real thing. It's the same design, built by robots - use the same materials and you get the same product)
clap Cyberface, just wanted to say thanks and well done for two thoughtful and thought-provoking posts.

M

uktrailmonster

4,827 posts

207 months

Saturday 14th June 2008
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As mentioned, there are many high quality watches in the classic "Rolex" style that don't cost anywhere near £5K. If he's not keen on spending £5K (dont blame him for that at all), but ok with spending say £1-2K then he will be able to buy a far better quality watch than any fake Rolex on offer. It will also have a proper warranty of course. The other alternative, also mentioned, is a used Rolex. So just depends how important the branding is at the end of the day. Fakes are not my style at all, but if I was buying a fake Rolex I wouldn't pay more than £100 for one. The risk of being ripped off buying a supposedly high quality fake is just too high. Remember you're dealing with criminals!

retrorider

1,339 posts

208 months

Sunday 15th June 2008
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here you go blukoo.here is a link to a good seller of replicas.
http://www.cqout.com/item.asp?id=3759343

plenty on this site too...

GC8

19,910 posts

197 months

Tuesday 17th June 2008
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I believe that talk of quality Swiss ETA and Japanese calibres is misguided, at best. Differing qualities / standards of finish on cheap unlicensed Chinese ETA copies, is more accurate.

If youre looking for a watch that resembles a Rolex then Id suggest a Singapore Sandoz. Theyre very close facsimilies of Rolex pieces, built with genuine ETA movements. The Submariner-like pieces are very very similar, differing only in the dial and crown markings (obviously) and the case back, which also houses conventional opening provision, as well as Rolex type.

The best bit is the price: youre looking at spending about £150 for a watch with a genuine ETA calibre and a high standard of finishing. Compare that with the rubbish thats touted by 'replica dealers': cheap fakes, often sold for more.

A very passable homage to a Day Date can be bought for about £160: the only down side is that they have a mineral glass display back (sapphire front). On the plus side, you know that its a genuine Swiss movement that youre looking at, rather than a poor chinese copy. In terms of value, these watches represent a 10x better deal, in my opinion.

Theres nothing wrong with the Hong Kong Sandoz watches either, although the Singpore pieces seem a little better...

Don1

16,072 posts

215 months

Tuesday 17th June 2008
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TVR Moneypit said:
And now it does, now that the tt swear filter has been removed.

Odd.
Nothing odd - I requested this change in 'Website feedback' some time ago...