Has the Rolex bubble finally burst? Perhaps it has
Discussion
paulguitar said:
Buster73 said:
Harry Flashman said:
I have a sub, and a Seamaster 300. I prefer the latter - but then I don't dive! The Omega is better finished, has an exhibition case back and is generally a nicer thing. Bit big, mind. I wish they did a 39mm version.
The Rolex Sub is a truly iconic design, though. I can see why a collection 'needs' one.
I’d hazard a guess that the sub is up there as a first Rolex buy , certainly was for me.The Rolex Sub is a truly iconic design, though. I can see why a collection 'needs' one.
Sub non date bought 24 years ago now , still wear it most days.
Louis Balfour said:
They were kind of “the” Rolex back then, weren’t they. A better proportioned watch than the newer models IMHO
They were, I remember being on a flight to Paris once and all three blokes on the row I was on were wearing one. I sold it not long after that and bought a Girard Perregaux.Wish I still had the 16610 though.
Wills2 said:
It reads that you sold the watch because you saw 3 blokes wearing the same, which isn't so much sad as a bit odd, but that could just be the way you wrote it.
I remember parking next to 2 other F80 M3s once I didn't suddenly decide to sell the car.
I didn't sell it as a direct result of seeing the others on that flight, but perhaps when I made a change I subconsciously decided to get something a bit less 'common'. I remember parking next to 2 other F80 M3s once I didn't suddenly decide to sell the car.
I'd happily have another 16610 now though. I prefer them to the current subs.
paulguitar said:
Wills2 said:
It reads that you sold the watch because you saw 3 blokes wearing the same, which isn't so much sad as a bit odd, but that could just be the way you wrote it.
I remember parking next to 2 other F80 M3s once I didn't suddenly decide to sell the car.
I didn't sell it as a direct result of seeing the others on that flight, but perhaps when I made a change I subconsciously decided to get something a bit less 'common'. I remember parking next to 2 other F80 M3s once I didn't suddenly decide to sell the car.
I'd happily have another 16610 now though. I prefer them to the current subs.
See, I'm a Philistine. I prefer the newer stuff. Quality is better (no more rattling bracelets), and I prefer a ceramic bezel.
My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
I've had a DJII, a Skydweller and bi metal SD43 but I still think the 16710 fitted/suited me and my wrist better and had great portions (lug width) compared to the modern ones, although the DJII was nice on my wrist as well and some say that is ill proportioned so what do I know.
I've been through so many watches Zenith/Cartier/Omega/Tudor/Mont blanc/IWC etc.. but never settled and always sold them on, I've decided that perhaps I like the thought of them more than wearing one apart from that damn 16710.
I've been through so many watches Zenith/Cartier/Omega/Tudor/Mont blanc/IWC etc.. but never settled and always sold them on, I've decided that perhaps I like the thought of them more than wearing one apart from that damn 16710.
Harry Flashman said:
See, I'm a Philistine. I prefer the newer stuff. Quality is better (no more rattling bracelets), and I prefer a ceramic bezel.
While I wait for the call on a new Sub (not holding my breath), I do enjoy looking at the pre-owned Rolex at the gold pawn shops and jewelers. I really like the smaller size and shape of the older Sub and GMT models. I even like the aluminium bezels. The previous generation Pepsi GMT with faded bezel is particularly attractive IMO. I even like the old Oyster date models with aged champagne dials.The bracelets and clasps on these older models are indeed terrible though. Really bad pressed clasps and rattly bracelets.
FreeLitres said:
While I wait for the call on a new Sub (not holding my breath), I do enjoy looking at the pre-owned Rolex at the gold pawn shops and jewelers. I really like the smaller size and shape of the older Sub and GMT models. I even like the aluminium bezels. The previous generation Pepsi GMT with faded bezel is particularly attractive IMO. I even like the old Oyster date models with aged champagne dials.
The bracelets and clasps on these older models are indeed terrible though. Really bad pressed clasps and rattly bracelets.
go vintage ... so much more characterThe bracelets and clasps on these older models are indeed terrible though. Really bad pressed clasps and rattly bracelets.
I would eat my hat if that Sub date is actually available to buy as a walk-in. Harry Flashman said:
See, I'm a Philistine. I prefer the newer stuff. Quality is better (no more rattling bracelets), and I prefer a ceramic bezel.
My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
I have to disagree with you on the Omega vs Rolex finish standards.My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
I have an Omega seamaster and a few Rolex watches (current model gmts and subs)
There is nothing about the omega that I can see that is better (in terms of quality/finish) than any of my Rolex models.
Just my opinion!
Deep said:
Harry Flashman said:
See, I'm a Philistine. I prefer the newer stuff. Quality is better (no more rattling bracelets), and I prefer a ceramic bezel.
My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
I have to disagree with you on the Omega vs Rolex finish standards.My 2023 GMT is a much better made and finished thing than my 2004 Yacht Master - and the YM is barely used, and in immaculate condition. And it was meant to be a cut above the Sub of the same era.
Similarly, my Hulk is not as well finished or built as my 2022 Air King - noticeable on the bracelets, but also the finishing of the hands and hour markers. Yes I am a nerd, and inspect with a loupe
These watches have got better. However, sad as it is to say, both my Grand Seiko GMT and Omega SMP300 are better made than all of the Rolexes listed above.
I have an Omega seamaster and a few Rolex watches (current model gmts and subs)
There is nothing about the omega that I can see that is better (in terms of quality/finish) than any of my Rolex models.
Just my opinion!
Blown2CV said:
omega are lower quality than rolex... the only people that believe otherwise are omega owners
Well, I think so and I own both! One thing Rolex do a lot better is their Everose gold. It's a love pink colour, and seems to stay that way. Omega's Sedna equivalent on my Seamaster is yellowed, and I swear getting more yellow as the years pass...All of that said, my Grand Seiko is better finished than both of the other brands' products...
You don't buy a Rolex because it's the best watch out therefor the money. You buy it because it's a Rolex.
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 6th June 15:38
Edited by Harry Flashman on Thursday 6th June 15:39
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