whats this camaro worth
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I think it's worth what anyone will pay for it.
For my part, it's not original, it's built from a bodyshell, so has no historic significance or patina of age, it's been modified to look worse than an original (by which I mean those rear lights which look great on a Gen 2 but not on this)and it's really not my thing so to me, it's not even on the list as the modifications have removed it's identity to a large degree. I really don't like that back end.
That said, a GT500 will set you back £50k at the moment as will a Challenger so in that context, maybe the price isn't excessive.
I don't think it would sell for big money in the US for the reasons cited.
So it's a pastiche of an iconic American muscle car but I'll wager any afficionado would spend the money on a pristine original which you can still buy in the US and which haven't escalated into the silly money commanded by some Mopars.
Essentially, what you're trying to do is put a price on individuality - one thing you can be sure of is you won't see anyone else driving one like this. Good or bad is a matter for the purchaser.
Now putting logic aside and putting this alongside a new 540hp Shelby Mustang and firing them both up, I'm not sure your mind wouldn't be changed in an instant - after all those rear lights can be fixed.
For my part, it's not original, it's built from a bodyshell, so has no historic significance or patina of age, it's been modified to look worse than an original (by which I mean those rear lights which look great on a Gen 2 but not on this)and it's really not my thing so to me, it's not even on the list as the modifications have removed it's identity to a large degree. I really don't like that back end.
That said, a GT500 will set you back £50k at the moment as will a Challenger so in that context, maybe the price isn't excessive.
I don't think it would sell for big money in the US for the reasons cited.
So it's a pastiche of an iconic American muscle car but I'll wager any afficionado would spend the money on a pristine original which you can still buy in the US and which haven't escalated into the silly money commanded by some Mopars.
Essentially, what you're trying to do is put a price on individuality - one thing you can be sure of is you won't see anyone else driving one like this. Good or bad is a matter for the purchaser.
Now putting logic aside and putting this alongside a new 540hp Shelby Mustang and firing them both up, I'm not sure your mind wouldn't be changed in an instant - after all those rear lights can be fixed.
Edited by LuS1fer on Tuesday 22 December 09:06
As the seller says, the parts listed are more than the asking price (which is likely true, as that engine, gearbox and axle are easily £20k+ in parts, the suspension and brakes are easily another £10k). I'd personally prefer something like this to a standard original, though I personally don't like the chrome wheels, black windows and the whole rear end, and for that money would have gone turbo'd small block for better handling...
How much difference in value between a restored stock, or a resto-mod like this is always gonna be subject to opinion.
I reckon the best way if poss is to start with a good restored car, do all the mechanical mods but keep the original parts stored so it can be put back to standard at some point.
How much difference in value between a restored stock, or a resto-mod like this is always gonna be subject to opinion.
I reckon the best way if poss is to start with a good restored car, do all the mechanical mods but keep the original parts stored so it can be put back to standard at some point.
Edited by chevy-stu on Tuesday 22 December 11:16
For a start Lloyd its a 69. Emminently more desirable than your 70 and a half, hence the discrepancy there. To me I've seen nicer (in my opinion) 69's for sale at around the £19k-£20k mark.
What the parts used were worth new is wholly irrelevant to the finished price of the project. Parts are only worth what they'd bring secondhand anyway. You just know that no one in their right mind is going to live with that 2nd gen rear end on a 69. You'd have to budget on replacing it with a proper 69 rear panel and lights. The 2nd gen lights were never going to look right due to the more upright nature of the panel in the first gen.
As has been said though its worth what someone would pay for it. Personally I'd pay no more than £15k because in my eyes it would need so much sorting to bring it up to the standard of some of the £20k to £25k cars that I've seen. Plus of course you can have a brand new 69 Camaro from CARS for about £65k
As for you taking less than you wanted for the 70. Surely you realise that everyone saw it for sale before you originally bought it? Despite being in Yorkshire, none of our lot have seen it out and about round the shows up here this year, although the car has come up in conversation on a number of occasions. The American car scene is small enough that everyone knows that you had it for a very short time before putting it back up for sale with large hike in the asking price. Its always going to make people ask questions even if the car is actually worth the money, so you've instantly narrowed your market.
No slight on either you or the car, but just my take on the hows and whys
What the parts used were worth new is wholly irrelevant to the finished price of the project. Parts are only worth what they'd bring secondhand anyway. You just know that no one in their right mind is going to live with that 2nd gen rear end on a 69. You'd have to budget on replacing it with a proper 69 rear panel and lights. The 2nd gen lights were never going to look right due to the more upright nature of the panel in the first gen.
As has been said though its worth what someone would pay for it. Personally I'd pay no more than £15k because in my eyes it would need so much sorting to bring it up to the standard of some of the £20k to £25k cars that I've seen. Plus of course you can have a brand new 69 Camaro from CARS for about £65k
As for you taking less than you wanted for the 70. Surely you realise that everyone saw it for sale before you originally bought it? Despite being in Yorkshire, none of our lot have seen it out and about round the shows up here this year, although the car has come up in conversation on a number of occasions. The American car scene is small enough that everyone knows that you had it for a very short time before putting it back up for sale with large hike in the asking price. Its always going to make people ask questions even if the car is actually worth the money, so you've instantly narrowed your market.
No slight on either you or the car, but just my take on the hows and whys
Edited by TheMighty on Tuesday 22 December 12:21
Yep Gen 1s are worth a lot more than Gen 2s (unf ), but all depends on what the buyer thinks it' worth. Chip Foose '69s are probably double that. Chap I know has just finished a big block '67 and over £50ks gone into that 
Would never get the money back I've sunk into mine, but that's not the point for me.
), but all depends on what the buyer thinks it' worth. Chip Foose '69s are probably double that. Chap I know has just finished a big block '67 and over £50ks gone into that Would never get the money back I've sunk into mine, but that's not the point for me.
You really can't compare this car to a (relatively) standard one in any way value wise... Non of the mechanical components are original so it's pointless trying to put a price on it. I appreciate once the new parts are on the car their value is very much lower than they were in the box... Someone that will buy this car I would hope wants the whole pro-touring performance and handling thing with the 1st gen look.
It's almost exactly what i'd buy personally over a stock standard car, as it's best of both worlds, but would definately sort that rear end out, just looks odd....
It's almost exactly what i'd buy personally over a stock standard car, as it's best of both worlds, but would definately sort that rear end out, just looks odd....
I have a 68 Firebird which one day will be my daily driver its sooo good.
Sometime soon they will skyrocket in value as the Mopars become unattainable to us mere mortals,so when I have time I`m going to spend an enjoyable couple of years doing a bare metal rebuild.
At present I`d guess my `bird` isnt worth a lot as most people would rather pay for a finished item than do the work, but finished I`d expect a today value of circa £25k.
Tomorrows value....who knows, but all my life I seem to look back on cars I sold for nothing that are now worth a fair bit more.
Sometime soon they will skyrocket in value as the Mopars become unattainable to us mere mortals,so when I have time I`m going to spend an enjoyable couple of years doing a bare metal rebuild.
At present I`d guess my `bird` isnt worth a lot as most people would rather pay for a finished item than do the work, but finished I`d expect a today value of circa £25k.
Tomorrows value....who knows, but all my life I seem to look back on cars I sold for nothing that are now worth a fair bit more.
Now its going to auction,9th Feb.at Esher Surrey.A value will be set at what ever the highest bidder bids.
http://www.barons-auctions.com/details.php?lotpath...
http://www.barons-auctions.com/details.php?lotpath...
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