hummer oil filter
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Motorama said:
Fram filters are near the bottom in quality terms, in some cases they void manufacturers warranties, are you sure you want a Fram.
Any decent USA parts suppier should get you the right filter without the part number.
Pardon? never heard that before. I've used Fram filters on my race cars, road cars, commercials, etc.. for years and never had a single problem with their quality.Any decent USA parts suppier should get you the right filter without the part number.
There was a case, about five or so years back, when a load of counterfeit filters from the far east appeared on the market. Most of them were copies of Fram's, some were even badged as Mercedes Benz. They looked OK until you opened them up - nothing in there other than rags!
I read about it in Commercial Motor.
About that time MB were going to make it a "crime" to fit anything other than a genuine MB filter. They were reminded by the EU Commission of the competition laws and backed down.
Other brands of filter you might find, all good:
Cooper, NAPA, AC Delco (GM!), Purolator (Bosch/Mann-Hummel).
thunderbelmont said:
Motorama said:
Fram filters are near the bottom in quality terms, in some cases they void manufacturers warranties, are you sure you want a Fram.
Any decent USA parts suppier should get you the right filter without the part number.
Pardon? never heard that before. I've used Fram filters on my race cars, road cars, commercials, etc.. for years and never had a single problem with their quality.Any decent USA parts suppier should get you the right filter without the part number.
There was a case, about five or so years back, when a load of counterfeit filters from the far east appeared on the market. Most of them were copies of Fram's, some were even badged as Mercedes Benz. They looked OK until you opened them up - nothing in there other than rags!
I read about it in Commercial Motor.
About that time MB were going to make it a "crime" to fit anything other than a genuine MB filter. They were reminded by the EU Commission of the competition laws and backed down.
Other brands of filter you might find, all good:
Cooper, NAPA, AC Delco (GM!), Purolator (Bosch/Mann-Hummel).
Cummins said:
from the August 2002 Cummins Bulletin®
TECHNICAL INFORMATION
It has been brought to our attention that a few Daimler Chrysler service
technicians are recommending that the FRAM PH3976 filter not be used on
Daimler Chrysler vehicles with the Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel engine and
that use of these filters can cause damage to the engine. Daimler Chrysler
has informed us that they released a Technical Service Bulletin to their
dealerships communicating a potential contamination issue and recommending
the use of Fleetguard manufactured filters.
FRAM has been selling PH3976 filter for this engine application since the
engine platform launch and it has maintained an extremely reliable service
record. Late in 2000, Cummins and Daimler Chrysler brought to our
attention a low incidence failure mode in their Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel
engine of the piston cooling nozzle plugging, resulting in engine failure.
The plugging was caused by contaminates lodging in the nozzle. The
contaminants included metal chips, calcium carbonate, polyethylene, and
styrene butadiene that are not associated with filter manufacture, and a
neoprene compound, which is used as a sealant on the tapping plate of the
filter. There were also several other engine warranty issues determined
unrelated to the piston cooling nozzle plugging that were part of the
engine failure sample. A small amount of neoprene rubber was used in the
FRAM filter as a sealant.
Throughout our investigation with Cummins & Daimler Chrysler on various
engine failures, no conclusive evidence was found to assign cause to
filters or other contamination sources. However, driven to satisfy our
customers, the FRAM engineering team made modifications to the design
eliminating the neoprene and expedited development and manufacturing to
release a revised filter model number to PH3976A. With the design change
on the PH3976A completely removing the use of neoprene, there is
absolutely no validity in comments that the Fram filter should not be used
for this application or that it may cause engine failures associated with
plugged nozzles.
The Honeywell Consumer Products Group warranty policy also protects the
consumer if it is determined that a FRAM filter is responsible for damage
to an engine due to defects in design or workmanship. This information
should be openly conveyed to our customers if they have any concerns or
apprehension about using a FRAM filter for this application.
There you go, that's the answer you need!TECHNICAL INFORMATION
It has been brought to our attention that a few Daimler Chrysler service
technicians are recommending that the FRAM PH3976 filter not be used on
Daimler Chrysler vehicles with the Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel engine and
that use of these filters can cause damage to the engine. Daimler Chrysler
has informed us that they released a Technical Service Bulletin to their
dealerships communicating a potential contamination issue and recommending
the use of Fleetguard manufactured filters.
FRAM has been selling PH3976 filter for this engine application since the
engine platform launch and it has maintained an extremely reliable service
record. Late in 2000, Cummins and Daimler Chrysler brought to our
attention a low incidence failure mode in their Cummins 5.9L Turbo Diesel
engine of the piston cooling nozzle plugging, resulting in engine failure.
The plugging was caused by contaminates lodging in the nozzle. The
contaminants included metal chips, calcium carbonate, polyethylene, and
styrene butadiene that are not associated with filter manufacture, and a
neoprene compound, which is used as a sealant on the tapping plate of the
filter. There were also several other engine warranty issues determined
unrelated to the piston cooling nozzle plugging that were part of the
engine failure sample. A small amount of neoprene rubber was used in the
FRAM filter as a sealant.
Throughout our investigation with Cummins & Daimler Chrysler on various
engine failures, no conclusive evidence was found to assign cause to
filters or other contamination sources. However, driven to satisfy our
customers, the FRAM engineering team made modifications to the design
eliminating the neoprene and expedited development and manufacturing to
release a revised filter model number to PH3976A. With the design change
on the PH3976A completely removing the use of neoprene, there is
absolutely no validity in comments that the Fram filter should not be used
for this application or that it may cause engine failures associated with
plugged nozzles.
The Honeywell Consumer Products Group warranty policy also protects the
consumer if it is determined that a FRAM filter is responsible for damage
to an engine due to defects in design or workmanship. This information
should be openly conveyed to our customers if they have any concerns or
apprehension about using a FRAM filter for this application.
I had heard varios talk about fram filters, but was suprised to see them used in some very expensive top-fuel engines, so they cant be all that bad:
http://www.mez.co.uk/santapod.html
http://www.mez.co.uk/santapod.html
eliot said:
I had heard varios talk about fram filters, but was suprised to see them used in some very expensive top-fuel engines, so they cant be all that bad:
http://www.mez.co.uk/santapod.html
But presumably they are one time use only anyway.http://www.mez.co.uk/santapod.html
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