ls1 camaro - experts chime in!
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I like the look of this, but how can it have been imported from US when surely that's a euro/uk spec car. (rear bumper, door mirrors, side indicators etc)And how can it be an '05 plate when they stopped making them in '02? How does this affect tax etc? Any comments welcome.
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Edited by MollyHouse on Tuesday 17th December 22:28
Hmm, Euro spec rear bumper but us spec mirrors. I would say it's had the rear bumper put on to SVA it, US ones don't have rear fogs.
2005 plate seems very odd. Mines a 99 model but registered in 2000 but has a age related S plate.
TBH the best thing thats going for it is that its a manual but I would check its not been written off in the states.
2005 plate seems very odd. Mines a 99 model but registered in 2000 but has a age related S plate.
TBH the best thing thats going for it is that its a manual but I would check its not been written off in the states.
My 2 cents, maybe it was never registered in the USA until 05? Or theory no 2, the DVLA has made a cock up, lets face it , it's not unheard of! As to the rear lights, I'm sure that some states had orange turn signals, no forget that, just looked at the pictures & that is a UK/Euro spec rear end, fog lamps & no plate aperture confirm that. I would be asking a few questions, I'm always dubious about very low mileage without a thorough history, even then it's not always a sign of a well cared for car.
It was probably when it was imported, just a cock-up. It cannot be a 2005. Ask for the VIN and do a decode on the web to determine what year it is.
I have seen this car for sale in the past.
Not sure what wheels he has as it shows two different sets.
As noted, it has US spec mirrors and interior (not all US ones had switchable traction control) and Euro cars are generally better-specced.
They're not bad cars but a suspension upgrade is desirable.
All American imports are around £220-ish a year I think it is now as there is no emissions information. This aplies to imports even now, including a 650hp Shelby GT500.
I would guess this is a 2001 car.
F-Body History
1998
1. Had different casting heads which had perimeter bolts and valve covers.
2. Ignition coils were mounted to the valve covers individually.
3. The water temp gauge actually works.
4. Only LS1 year to not have an oil life monitor
5. WS6s had single outlet exhaust (all others had duals) (not in Europe)
6. Steering wheel controls were completely different part with indentations on the buttons, and were better built
7. Only year that Purple, Gold, and Green were available
8. Some very early Trans-Ams came with LT1 style headrests
9. Rear hatch release was poorly designed and often caused problems releasing mechanism
10. Early model 98 Monsoon stereos didn’t have capability to control 12-disc CD changer
11. 1998-1999 automatic transmission LS1s could be started in 1st gear even with the shifter in 2nd. Starting 2000, if you put the shifter in 2, it would start off in 2, even from a stop.
12. 1998-1999 LS1 cars had a smaller throttle body cam, which caused the throttle to open to WOT faster than 2000+ cars
13. 1998 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors from the factory
14. 1998-2000 cars had a larger cam than the 01-02 cars
15. 1998-1999 cars had more restrictive exhaust manifolds
16. 1998-2000 cars had an LS1 intake with EGR
17. 1998 and some early 1999 cars had blue outside rear view mirrors (Trans Am only)
18. 1998 only LS1 blocks had a much smaller cylinder sleeve that only tolerated a .005" hone
19. Last year F-body to use the old 15.5 gallon fuel tank.
20. Only year LS1 F-body to contain a gas cap with a tether long enough to actually hang from the fuel door while open
21. Only year LS1 F-body to not contain the famous GM black box used in the event of an accident to record up to 5 seconds of pre-crash data
22. 1998 only cars had a different PCV system with the PCV valve located above the passenger side valve cover
23. 1998 only cars did not have an idle adjustment screw on the throttle body
24. 1998 cars have a completely different PCM from 99+ cars
25. A production shortage of F-body cams caused the use of a C5 cam to be installed in F-body LS1s for a very short time
1999
1. 1999-2000 cars switched to 26 lb fuel injectors
2. Cylinder heads and valve covers redesigned to have centre bolts instead of perimeter bolts. Other than that, the heads were the same.
3. Redesigned cylinder sleeves that allowed for a small bore, up from .005" in 1998 models.
4. Midyear model change to a cheaper steering wheel audio control button without finger indentations, and cheaper built
5. 1999 cars continued the LS1 intake with EGR provisions
6. 1999 cars continued more restrictive exhaust manifolds and larger cam
7. Only year that Hugger Orange was available (Camaro only)
8. 30th Anniversary Trans Am available with special blue and white paint package and blue clear coated WS6 wheels
9. Switch to larger 16.8 gallon fuel tank to meet new emissions requirements.
10. Gas cap tether was shorter and could no longer be used to hang on the gas door when open.
11. Company wide change added black boxes to record up to 5 seconds of data before a crash
12. Rear hatch release was redesigned with stiffer spring that released the hatch better
13. Water temp gauge was redesigned to work basically as a dummy gauge and only show an overheat condition.
14. An oil life monitor was added to all LS1s, thus changing the gauge cluster a little to show the oil life reset swtich
15. 1999-02 cars had a different PCV system with the valve located to the side of the intake manifold
16. Early production 1999 Trans-Ams still had the blue outside mirrors, but a midyear change went to the non-tinted ones
2000
1. Redesigned exhaust manifolds for new emissions standard actually flowed better and created a little more HP.
2. 2000 continued use of LS1 Intake, EGR, smaller cam, and 26 lb fuel injectors
3. Added rear child seat safety hooks to interior per federal requirements
4. Very early run of WS6s had "salad shooter" style rims. A production change switched back to standard 5-spoke WS6 rims.
5. Camaros got redesigned 10-spoke base rims, and SSs came with new 10-spoke rim design
6. First year of Monterey Maple Metallic paint
7. Charcoal (greyish) interior was replaced with Ebony (almost black) leather interior
8. Cloth interior cars got new rainbow coloured cloth patterns
9. Camaros only got the Pontiac steering wheel with optional audio controls
10. Throttle body cam was increased in size to slow the speed at which the car reaches WOT
11. Automatic transmission cars were reprogrammed to allow a car to start off in 2nd gear from a stop when the shift lever is put into 2.
12. The last year a WS6 Formula was offered
13. Starting 2000 intake lids contained a separate breather filter
2001
1. A small percentage of 2001 and 2002 LS1s actually had LS6 blocks which had a different part number and a darker metal cast
2. Starting 2001 model year, all LS1s came with an LS6 intake manifold without an EGR system
3. Advertised HP output was changed from 305 to 310 on base LS1s and from 320 to 325 on WS6s and SSs
4. 2001-02 cars have a smaller cam from the Vortec truck engines to increase low end torque
5. 2001-02 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors like the 98 cars (albeit different part numbers)
6. WS6 cars had a redesigned 5 spoke rim which was more wavy
7. WS6 cars got less suspension upgrades from a base Trans Am suspension than previous years
8. Manual transmission cars all came with the Z06 clutch
2002 - Last year of the F-body
1. 35th Anniversary edition of the Camaro, and Collectors Edition Trans Am available
I have seen this car for sale in the past.
Not sure what wheels he has as it shows two different sets.
As noted, it has US spec mirrors and interior (not all US ones had switchable traction control) and Euro cars are generally better-specced.
They're not bad cars but a suspension upgrade is desirable.
All American imports are around £220-ish a year I think it is now as there is no emissions information. This aplies to imports even now, including a 650hp Shelby GT500.
I would guess this is a 2001 car.
F-Body History
1998
1. Had different casting heads which had perimeter bolts and valve covers.
2. Ignition coils were mounted to the valve covers individually.
3. The water temp gauge actually works.
4. Only LS1 year to not have an oil life monitor
5. WS6s had single outlet exhaust (all others had duals) (not in Europe)
6. Steering wheel controls were completely different part with indentations on the buttons, and were better built
7. Only year that Purple, Gold, and Green were available
8. Some very early Trans-Ams came with LT1 style headrests
9. Rear hatch release was poorly designed and often caused problems releasing mechanism
10. Early model 98 Monsoon stereos didn’t have capability to control 12-disc CD changer
11. 1998-1999 automatic transmission LS1s could be started in 1st gear even with the shifter in 2nd. Starting 2000, if you put the shifter in 2, it would start off in 2, even from a stop.
12. 1998-1999 LS1 cars had a smaller throttle body cam, which caused the throttle to open to WOT faster than 2000+ cars
13. 1998 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors from the factory
14. 1998-2000 cars had a larger cam than the 01-02 cars
15. 1998-1999 cars had more restrictive exhaust manifolds
16. 1998-2000 cars had an LS1 intake with EGR
17. 1998 and some early 1999 cars had blue outside rear view mirrors (Trans Am only)
18. 1998 only LS1 blocks had a much smaller cylinder sleeve that only tolerated a .005" hone
19. Last year F-body to use the old 15.5 gallon fuel tank.
20. Only year LS1 F-body to contain a gas cap with a tether long enough to actually hang from the fuel door while open
21. Only year LS1 F-body to not contain the famous GM black box used in the event of an accident to record up to 5 seconds of pre-crash data
22. 1998 only cars had a different PCV system with the PCV valve located above the passenger side valve cover
23. 1998 only cars did not have an idle adjustment screw on the throttle body
24. 1998 cars have a completely different PCM from 99+ cars
25. A production shortage of F-body cams caused the use of a C5 cam to be installed in F-body LS1s for a very short time
1999
1. 1999-2000 cars switched to 26 lb fuel injectors
2. Cylinder heads and valve covers redesigned to have centre bolts instead of perimeter bolts. Other than that, the heads were the same.
3. Redesigned cylinder sleeves that allowed for a small bore, up from .005" in 1998 models.
4. Midyear model change to a cheaper steering wheel audio control button without finger indentations, and cheaper built
5. 1999 cars continued the LS1 intake with EGR provisions
6. 1999 cars continued more restrictive exhaust manifolds and larger cam
7. Only year that Hugger Orange was available (Camaro only)
8. 30th Anniversary Trans Am available with special blue and white paint package and blue clear coated WS6 wheels
9. Switch to larger 16.8 gallon fuel tank to meet new emissions requirements.
10. Gas cap tether was shorter and could no longer be used to hang on the gas door when open.
11. Company wide change added black boxes to record up to 5 seconds of data before a crash
12. Rear hatch release was redesigned with stiffer spring that released the hatch better
13. Water temp gauge was redesigned to work basically as a dummy gauge and only show an overheat condition.
14. An oil life monitor was added to all LS1s, thus changing the gauge cluster a little to show the oil life reset swtich
15. 1999-02 cars had a different PCV system with the valve located to the side of the intake manifold
16. Early production 1999 Trans-Ams still had the blue outside mirrors, but a midyear change went to the non-tinted ones
2000
1. Redesigned exhaust manifolds for new emissions standard actually flowed better and created a little more HP.
2. 2000 continued use of LS1 Intake, EGR, smaller cam, and 26 lb fuel injectors
3. Added rear child seat safety hooks to interior per federal requirements
4. Very early run of WS6s had "salad shooter" style rims. A production change switched back to standard 5-spoke WS6 rims.
5. Camaros got redesigned 10-spoke base rims, and SSs came with new 10-spoke rim design
6. First year of Monterey Maple Metallic paint
7. Charcoal (greyish) interior was replaced with Ebony (almost black) leather interior
8. Cloth interior cars got new rainbow coloured cloth patterns
9. Camaros only got the Pontiac steering wheel with optional audio controls
10. Throttle body cam was increased in size to slow the speed at which the car reaches WOT
11. Automatic transmission cars were reprogrammed to allow a car to start off in 2nd gear from a stop when the shift lever is put into 2.
12. The last year a WS6 Formula was offered
13. Starting 2000 intake lids contained a separate breather filter
2001
1. A small percentage of 2001 and 2002 LS1s actually had LS6 blocks which had a different part number and a darker metal cast
2. Starting 2001 model year, all LS1s came with an LS6 intake manifold without an EGR system
3. Advertised HP output was changed from 305 to 310 on base LS1s and from 320 to 325 on WS6s and SSs
4. 2001-02 cars have a smaller cam from the Vortec truck engines to increase low end torque
5. 2001-02 cars had 28 lb fuel injectors like the 98 cars (albeit different part numbers)
6. WS6 cars had a redesigned 5 spoke rim which was more wavy
7. WS6 cars got less suspension upgrades from a base Trans Am suspension than previous years
8. Manual transmission cars all came with the Z06 clutch
2002 - Last year of the F-body
1. 35th Anniversary edition of the Camaro, and Collectors Edition Trans Am available
Edited by LuS1fer on Friday 20th December 10:30
Edited by LuS1fer on Friday 20th December 10:37
No, the Camaros have been around £6k for a while. Some are going up if in good nick as they are getting rare in the UK and prices in the US tend to be higher as they don't depreciate like our cars do and what with excghange rates etc....
What you have to remember is that the Euro spec ones were much better specced with Firebird seats where the Camaro (the "lesser" model in the US) got these shapeless cloth beanbags as seats wjere the Firebird usually had leather buckets.
Also bear in mind, the T-tops are more desirable where the solid roof cars tend to be less so.
I don't think white does this one any favours, they look better in dark colours and reds.
What you have to remember is that the Euro spec ones were much better specced with Firebird seats where the Camaro (the "lesser" model in the US) got these shapeless cloth beanbags as seats wjere the Firebird usually had leather buckets.
Also bear in mind, the T-tops are more desirable where the solid roof cars tend to be less so.
I don't think white does this one any favours, they look better in dark colours and reds.
LuS1fer said:
No, the Camaros have been around £6k for a while. Some are going up if in good nick as they are getting rare in the UK and prices in the US tend to be higher as they don't depreciate like our cars do and what with excghange rates etc....
What you have to remember is that the Euro spec ones were much better specced with Firebird seats where the Camaro (the "lesser" model in the US) got these shapeless cloth beanbags as seats wjere the Firebird usually had leather buckets.
Also bear in mind, the T-tops are more desirable where the solid roof cars tend to be less so.
I don't think white does this one any favours, they look better in dark colours and reds.
I thought LS engined ones in good nick were gong for more than that not long ago - but the years slip by, maybe its longer ago than I thought..What you have to remember is that the Euro spec ones were much better specced with Firebird seats where the Camaro (the "lesser" model in the US) got these shapeless cloth beanbags as seats wjere the Firebird usually had leather buckets.
Also bear in mind, the T-tops are more desirable where the solid roof cars tend to be less so.
I don't think white does this one any favours, they look better in dark colours and reds.
Interesting that personally I'd prefer a solid roof car (more rigidity, no leaks and cleaner looking) and a proper US import car any day, but I can't say I've noticed the impact on price.
I had notice that prices in US seem firmer than here. Will they import them back one day?
balls-out said:
I thought LS engined ones in good nick were gong for more than that not long ago - but the years slip by, maybe its longer ago than I thought..
Interesting that personally I'd prefer a solid roof car (more rigidity, no leaks and cleaner looking) and a proper US import car any day, but I can't say I've noticed the impact on price.
I had notice that prices in US seem firmer than here. Will they import them back one day?
There is no greater rigidity as the T-top structure is underneath the plastic panel they stick on. Though my 3rd gen leaked, my 4th gen T-top never did.Interesting that personally I'd prefer a solid roof car (more rigidity, no leaks and cleaner looking) and a proper US import car any day, but I can't say I've noticed the impact on price.
I had notice that prices in US seem firmer than here. Will they import them back one day?
It's the interior of the Us Camaros that let them down, I prefer the fixed mirrors and no fog light look.
As you may know, as soon as any yank car goes out of production, it becomes a collector's car (sic) but they don't have landslide depreciation curves in the US otherwise i'd have imported a Caddy CTS-V a long time ago.
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