importing question

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smiffy180

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6,020 posts

155 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Right this has been bugging me for a while.
Lets say I spec up a truck from a dealer and comes in at $40,000. I understand that the UK customs will charge ~30% of the UK equivalent value.
Si if I said to the dealer can you write me a receipt for $20,000 would they use that figure or would they know what I paid for it?

ViperDave

5,571 posts

258 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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You may get away with it, but if you don't its tax evasion and fraud, do you fancy the consequences if they look at the invoice and say "hmm i think not, time to make an example out of someone"

Just pay the tax due and be done with it. Its not like the government haven't made it clear they are going after people not paying their taxes.

Matt Harper

6,723 posts

206 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Can't see anything wrong with that - the excise people are all so stupid, they'll never recognise that the invoice is only half the value of the goods. Go for it, I say.

smiffy180

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155 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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I'm not saying I'm buying one just asked how they do it? Surely you could buy privately and get a receipt for $1, they may or may not beleive you but how can they prove it?
Maybe I should have pm roo smile

ViperDave

5,571 posts

258 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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initially yes they will use the invoice you provide but it will be a problem if they get suspicious, then they can ask for more evidence of the actual price paid, such are currency transactions, and they likely wont issue the certificate of tax paid until they are happy, and you cant register the car without it.

What will make them take an extra look at it, who knows, your form may go in front of an American truck enthusiast who knows the value of such things, they may be having a week of check all car imports, random dip sample, why does anyone get caught?

On anything there will be an expected price that can easily be checked/looked up, any significant deviation from this will probably trigger a closer look if its noticed in the first place. So knocking £5k off a $100k sale will probably stand some scrutiny, putting through a $40k as $20k probably not.

Lots of people do it and get away with it, end of the day though its illegal and are you prepared for the consequences if caught,

smiffy180

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6,020 posts

155 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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ViperDave said:
initially yes they will use the invoice you provide but it will be a problem if they get suspicious, then they can ask for more evidence of the actual price paid, such are currency transactions, and they likely wont issue the certificate of tax paid until they are happy, and you cant register the car without it.

What will make them take an extra look at it, who knows, your form may go in front of an American truck enthusiast who knows the value of such things, they may be having a week of check all car imports, random dip sample, why does anyone get caught?

On anything there will be an expected price that can easily be checked/looked up, any significant deviation from this will probably trigger a closer look if its noticed in the first place. So knocking £5k off a $100k sale will probably stand some scrutiny, putting through a $40k as $20k probably not.

Lots of people do it and get away with it, end of the day though its illegal and are you prepared for the consequences if caught,
Fair enough, it's something I've always pondered

Roo

11,503 posts

212 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Had a letter this morning from HMRC.

Anyone who is now importing a vehicle to the UK has to inform them within 14 days of the cars arrival. If you don't do it they won't give clearance to DVLA for the vehicle to be registered.

They're definitely clamping down.

smiffy180

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155 months

Friday 15th February 2013
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Roo said:
Had a letter this morning from HMRC.

Anyone who is now importing a vehicle to the UK has to inform them within 14 days of the cars arrival. If you don't do it they won't give clearance to DVLA for the vehicle to be registered.

They're definitely clamping down.
Sounds like fun, nearly bought a car from your company a year back! You sold it about a week before i had the funds frown
Will probably PM you if the OH fancies an american car again....*whipped* laugh

mitch_

1,282 posts

229 months

Saturday 16th February 2013
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Roo said:
Had a letter this morning from HMRC.

Anyone who is now importing a vehicle to the UK has to inform them within 14 days of the cars arrival. If you don't do it they won't give clearance to DVLA for the vehicle to be registered.

They're definitely clamping down.
They're also preparing for the closure of all the local DVLA offices as well. This prior notification system will make it easier for the DVLA to sign off on registrations and if we're lucky they might work a little faster.....

mitch_

1,282 posts

229 months

Saturday 16th February 2013
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Matt Harper said:
Can't see anything wrong with that - the excise people are all so stupid, they'll never recognise that the invoice is only half the value of the goods. Go for it, I say.
They're not as stupid as you think, and if they do have a dumb moment it never seems to be in your favour. It's too easy to look at AutoTrader or eBay in the U.S. and see through it. It's not as if Customs have never seen someone try and undervalue goods before is it?!

Matt Harper

6,723 posts

206 months

Saturday 16th February 2013
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mitch_ said:
They're not as stupid as you think, and if they do have a dumb moment it never seems to be in your favour. It's too easy to look at AutoTrader or eBay in the U.S. and see through it. It's not as if Customs have never seen someone try and undervalue goods before is it?!
Thank you - mine was a weak attempt at sarcasm. A 20 second Google search can give anybody dealer pricing in the US - and I suspect that UKRC will have the odd copy of Kelly Blue Book lying about.