F150 defrost smell and brown fogging on windscreen?

F150 defrost smell and brown fogging on windscreen?

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djo2267

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91 posts

210 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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I have a 1997 f150 4.6. there has been a mouldy fishy smell coming from the heater for the last month at least and the other day, i put the defrost on and the windscreen went brown and foggy. Can anybody tell me what this could be. thankyou for any help

SVTRick

3,633 posts

200 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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Perhaps someone shat into the air intake....


Nah most likley mould growth in the aircon part of the heater / vent system.

djo2267

Original Poster:

91 posts

210 months

Monday 15th October 2012
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can you tell me where abouts the aircon part of the heater is, so i can clean it?

V10 BAT

1,718 posts

239 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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Hi,i think halfords do a aircon cleaning thingy.
Its a bit like a smoke grenade ,have the air on recycle pull the tab on the can ,place on floor and get the hell out of there lol
Not used it myself but tempted when browsing in halfords.
cheers

BillyWhizz888

926 posts

158 months

Tuesday 16th October 2012
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Do you have a sunroof in yours

I got a 2001 with a sunroof and water leaked in and ran down inside of piller caused a slight bit of damp. But check the seal round the windscreen especially at bottom and water mixing with the sound proofing gives you the smell and steamy windows

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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If you can get to the heater matrix box, you may find the matrix is leaking as coolant can smell sweet and slightly fishy. Check the carpet under the matrix box. As it gets worse, the screen will fog up with steam. I replaced matrices in a Z28 and a Corvette - they don't last forever.

I'm not convinced by the air con thing but if it has a cabin filter, renew it and get a spray off ebay for about £10 that sprays foam into your vents and onto the air con. That never does any harm.

djo2267

Original Poster:

91 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Once again there is smoke coming out of all vents including windscreen panel and side panels and further brown fogging on inside of windscreen. If I keep the heater running it will all fill up with smoke but then clear and no smoking. It clears after 5 mins and is doing this every day now. Can’t see how the vents clear and then the next day the when I start the truck it does the same and clearing after 5 mins - is it building up again? Is it definitely mould or something else?

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Definitely sounds like a leaking matrix to me. The water leaks into the matrix casing and when you put the blowers on hot, the water heats up and steams out of all your vents. Thereafter, the matrix is hot and the water circulating so the leak will be far less. Overnight it will drip and pool again.

Something like Stops Leaks may help but in my experience just clogs up the fine tubes in the matrix - better off replacing it. It usually leads to 2 pipes in the engine bay.

The brown is likely to be the rusty coolant.

Edited by LuS1fer on Wednesday 17th October 11:39

djo2267

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91 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Thanks for that. I may try the Stops Leaks - does it go in the reservoir?

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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djo2267 said:
Thanks for that. I may try the Stops Leaks - does it go in the reservoir?
It goes in the radiator/coolant reservoir. Personally, I wouldn't use it as it can gunk things up and it is unlikely to be a permanent fix and may not work at all.
The matrix is usually under the dash and the enclosure should be accessible, especially on a pickup. Check the seams for moisture. There uis usually some form of screw/bolt-on cover.

djo2267

Original Poster:

91 posts

210 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Sorry about this but i'm not very mechanical! Can I get to the matrix through the stereo surround on the dashboard? Also what does it look like; is it like a small rad or a control panel? Thanks

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Wednesday 17th October 2012
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Under the dash somewhere is a black or gray receptacle which has the pipes coming from it to blow air to the dash and your feet and the vents. Start looking down at pedal level and work your way up.

Most American vehicles are designed to come apart quite easily so you may have to remove bits to get at it. Inside that container is a small radiator through which the water flows.

NB - not sure if this is any different with air con.

This may help - it's on a 1998 F150.
http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_to_replace_a_heater_...

There's not much you can't find on You Tube if you do a search.

djo2267

Original Poster:

91 posts

210 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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Hi, have found the leak in the matrix now. If I was to get a matrix and get a mechanic to fit it, how many hours would this normally take? Thanks.

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Thursday 18th October 2012
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It depends where it is and how accessible the pipes in the engine bay are. On the Chevys, it was a question of removing the two pipes in the engine bay, capping it (as it will still be full of water), releasing the securing clips and pushing it through and wiggling it out.

The Z28 I did from uner the dash but the Corvette needed the top of the dash removing and several items to be moved aside to get to it.

The new matrix, being empty, is easier to wiggle back in and through the bulkhead. Once in place, before reconnecting the pipes, fill with water so you only have a small amount of air to get out.

As noted, every yank I've had is designed to be unbolted and taken apart, unlike European cars with their hidden clips but without seeing it, I can't say how long it would take.

shovelheadrob

1,564 posts

176 months

Friday 19th October 2012
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V10 BAT said:
Hi,i think halfords do a aircon cleaning thingy.
Its a bit like a smoke grenade ,have the air on recycle pull the tab on the can ,place on floor and get the hell out of there lol
Not used it myself but tempted when browsing in halfords.
cheers
Yeah there are times I'd be tempted to let off a smoke grenade in Halfrauds!

Captain Cadillac

2,974 posts

192 months

Saturday 20th October 2012
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See, you guys need to google search in American english... we call it a heater core, not a heater matrix smile

http://www.fordf150.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=169...

The file download still works, hope this helps.

djo2267

Original Poster:

91 posts

210 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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added some k seal to the systen and leak stopped! thanks for your help

LuS1fer

41,512 posts

250 months

Monday 5th November 2012
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It probably won't last but if you're happy, I'm happy. wink