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ratrod 2 said:
Joined the F.O,C ,did last a second year only because of their track days rather than the coucours meeting ,
Different bread of owner at the track ,not worried about a bit of brake dust or a exhaust stained rear end ,more into their lap times
than polishing and picking grass out of their tyres ,
Did get to one of static meets in my battle scared GTB and they asked me to move it out of the line up of other gleaming 308's ,
Sheezzzzzz Different bread of owner at the track ,not worried about a bit of brake dust or a exhaust stained rear end ,more into their lap times
than polishing and picking grass out of their tyres ,
Did get to one of static meets in my battle scared GTB and they asked me to move it out of the line up of other gleaming 308's ,
ratrod 2 said:
If anything i hear most clubs not including ones for yanks and rods have got worse not better ,
Yes, I've heard that from people that are now members of a couple of Owners Club's that I once belonged to back in the 80's and 90's, largely as a result of people getting ever more precious about the cars as they get rarer and become garage queens rather than driving cars. As you say, that's one think that most 40's-50's-60's yank owners clubs (even the AAAC) are not like. Although ROG attendance has dramatically dropped over the decades, I think that's more down to the move away from Knebworth to far less suitable venues, rather than a changing of attitude among owners.
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Yes, I've heard that from people that are now members of a couple of Owners Club's that I once belonged to back in the 80's and 90's, largely as a result of people getting ever more precious about the cars as they get rarer and become garage queens rather than driving cars.
As you say, that's one think that most 40's-50's-60's yank owners clubs (even the AAAC) are not like. Although ROG attendance has dramatically dropped over the decades, I think that's more down to the move away from Knebworth to far less suitable venues, rather than a changing of attitude among owners.
I guess it’s all part of this snobby entitled generation,
Zero respect for virtually everything,
And obviously not real car people, just money and the doors it will open,
The MMA is an ok club, almost no side,
Own a Hemi Cuda or a Slant Six Scamp you’ll be treated the same,
I’m going to do a build thread on there for the TA,
The dark side is always welcome!!
Yes, I've heard that from people that are now members of a couple of Owners Club's that I once belonged to back in the 80's and 90's, largely as a result of people getting ever more precious about the cars as they get rarer and become garage queens rather than driving cars.
As you say, that's one think that most 40's-50's-60's yank owners clubs (even the AAAC) are not like. Although ROG attendance has dramatically dropped over the decades, I think that's more down to the move away from Knebworth to far less suitable venues, rather than a changing of attitude among owners.
I guess it’s all part of this snobby entitled generation,
Zero respect for virtually everything,
And obviously not real car people, just money and the doors it will open,
The MMA is an ok club, almost no side,
Own a Hemi Cuda or a Slant Six Scamp you’ll be treated the same,
I’m going to do a build thread on there for the TA,
The dark side is always welcome!!
newsatten said:
I guess it’s all part of this snobby entitled generation,
Zero respect for virtually everything,
And obviously not real car people, just money and the doors it will open,
Its just a generational shift in the age demographic change of the people that now run long established clubs, and the few remaining people that remember how they were, as the newer people that are running them, have nothing to compare with until they again will be in the same boat in 30 years time (if they are still involved)Zero respect for virtually everything,
And obviously not real car people, just money and the doors it will open,
I don't think its specific to car/owners clubs, its just a life thing. I'm sure you've seen similar, as I have, in our shooting clubs, as the generational shift occurs between the old gits and the younger gen, just as they will see the same thing when they become old gits in the future. Each generation, or probably every 2nd generation see the world in a different way.
Then there's always the 'if your face fits' rules can be bent routines, which infest most clubs and associations etc. Again, its just life, and human nature at its best/worst.
newsatten said:
aeropilot said:
And we need to enjoy the ones we all like as much as we can, as we don't know for how much longer we'll be able to before the anti-fun-police take it all away.......
Ain’t that the truth!!
I’ve ummed and arred a few times about surrendering my FAC, but like my muscle cars I just can’t,
Hard one and easy to lose, so I’ll hang on to the bitter end
Stupid prices aside and rubbish built quality Yanks have been a huge part of my life for almost 50years
And hopefully for a fair few more to come !!
I’m feeling quite lucky really, managing to get the TA has kept my dreams going,
Rosco definitely hang on to your Vett for as long as you can !!!
I then consider that my C3 can simply sit in the garage (if I choose not to drive it) with no adverse/ill effects. Insurance is £200. No MOT needed. RFL is zero cost. Main cost is Super Unleaded gas. I can deal with most mechanical issues (if I choose.....although getting someone else to work on the car is becoming more attractive). I guess the car is really kinda perfect for someone who doesn't really want to drive on our grid locked roads?
LeighW said:
roscobbc said:
No MOT needed. RFL is zero cost.
I have a nasty feeling that with the new shower in number 10 (replacing the previous shower), we're on borrowed time with that, "green" zealots that they are. 
At the very least, I fully expect that from next April, the rolling 40 year exception for both with stop.....(it was last Labour lot that froze it at Dec 31st 1972 before) so expect it will be frozen at Dec 31st 1984 cut-off date come the budget in Oct.
They may even back date it to an earlier point in time (maybe to Dec 31st 1979?) but I suspect not, or rather not initially, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens in that regard.
roscobbc said:
The MOT exemption was stupid.....also took away a small revenue stream from Test Centres that might do remedial post MOT repairs, servicing etc.
But, how many MOT centres could do that for 40+ year old vehicles?Many classic car owners were already travelling some distance for MOT to use one of the recommended classic car sympathetic MOT test centres as it was, as many younger testers can't apply current regs to old vehicles. A friend of mine had his mint & restored, pre-war BSA motorcycle fail MOT before this change, because the MOT tester simply didn't understand how girder forks worked, and the front forks/suspension wasn't loose and dangerous...!!
Thus there were valid reasons for putting the MOT test exemption at the cut-off point of Dec 31st 1960, as the MOT test introduction was Sept 1960, but not for aligning it with the general VED exemption, but the Govt/DVLA decided that was too complicated to manage
, so it was aligned with the VED exemption to make it easy for the civil service.With the ULEZ and emissions stuff now, the new Govt will be wanting to make sure people don't get around this buy buying old cars as daily drivers.
roscobbc said:
The MOT exemption was stupid.....also took away a small revenue stream from Test Centres that might do remedial post MOT repairs, servicing etc.
While I agree, most garages these days don't want to touch old cars. The garage that looks after my Firebird as well as my others is a client (I'm his accountant), he has admitted that 'if it wasn't me' he wouldn't work on the Firebird. Far easier money to be made doing servicing on modern cars, where if a problem arises such as a bolt shearing or part failing for example, he can have another delivered from the motor factors within an hour. If he hits an issue on mine where the part will take a week to come, he has a car potentially blocking a bay if it can't be wheeled out of the way.LeighW said:
roscobbc said:
The MOT exemption was stupid.....also took away a small revenue stream from Test Centres that might do remedial post MOT repairs, servicing etc.
While I agree, most garages these days don't want to touch old cars. The garage that looks after my Firebird as well as my others is a client (I'm his accountant), he has admitted that 'if it wasn't me' he wouldn't work on the Firebird. Far easier money to be made doing servicing on modern cars, where if a problem arises such as a bolt shearing or part failing for example, he can have another delivered from the motor factors within an hour. If he hits an issue on mine where the part will take a week to come, he has a car potentially blocking a bay if it can't be wheeled out of the way.We can’t do our own mini buses , but can for schools and universities etc?
Your modern test centre would struggle with a lot of old cars,
Just the short Vins would abort most tests before they start!
Zero emissions information so just a visual smoke test,
Zero brake resistance information so a lock up test,
LSD would need a taci test so would add time,
And finally zero information on minimum standard
For what are obsolete items,
Can’t see that ever coming back unless dedicated centres are set up in each county ,
You’d be looking at 100 minimum,
As for revenue maybe cut it off where it is?
The true modern car started around 1980
Trouble is costs, how much to set up vs return etc
LeighW said:
newsatten said:
Can’t see that ever coming back unless dedicated centres are set up in each county ,
Probably right on the MOTs, the more likey target will be ending the free road tax and ULEZ exemption, hopefully not though! There’s definitely some modern tech that will cause all sorts of problems with mot’s on old cars,
I think VoSa or whatever they are called these days will resist new regulations on old stuff,
Pay per mile could be a possibility,
Have zero idea how that would be regulated?
As the first line , strange times are ahead!
In the mean time more and more cars will be on our chocked roads ,
We’re a small country with 20 million to many bodies!
newsatten said:
LeighW said:
roscobbc said:
The MOT exemption was stupid.....also took away a small revenue stream from Test Centres that might do remedial post MOT repairs, servicing etc.
While I agree, most garages these days don't want to touch old cars. The garage that looks after my Firebird as well as my others is a client (I'm his accountant), he has admitted that 'if it wasn't me' he wouldn't work on the Firebird. Far easier money to be made doing servicing on modern cars, where if a problem arises such as a bolt shearing or part failing for example, he can have another delivered from the motor factors within an hour. If he hits an issue on mine where the part will take a week to come, he has a car potentially blocking a bay if it can't be wheeled out of the way.We can’t do our own mini buses , but can for schools and universities etc?
Your modern test centre would struggle with a lot of old cars,
Just the short Vins would abort most tests before they start!
Zero emissions information so just a visual smoke test,
Zero brake resistance information so a lock up test,
LSD would need a taci test so would add time,
And finally zero information on minimum standard
For what are obsolete items,
Can’t see that ever coming back unless dedicated centres are set up in each county ,
You’d be looking at 100 minimum,
As for revenue maybe cut it off where it is?
The true modern car started around 1980
Trouble is costs, how much to set up vs return etc
Having said all that, yes......most of the 'old school' guys who knew Yanks and were happy to work of them have all retired or 'snuffed-it'.....and TBH some of the outfits taking these things on now I certainly wouldn't entertain.
newsatten said:
We’re a small country with 20 million to many bodies!
Getting far too much like the 'States now - Mum & Dad have cars each, two, or three kids have cars.....many are fairly recent drivers and have zero idea of how to drive in arduous conditions, like Americans have the Mexican, Cuban and South American immigrants, we have 'ours' plus the illegals who all want 'mobility' (so more cars). Yes the USA has a far, far larger land mass than the UK, yet struggles with the numbers, here in UK our landmass is comparitively miniscule in comparision and as NA intimates we are about 20 million greater than the capabilities of the facilities we have. roscobbc said:
newsatten said:
We’re a small country with 20 million to many bodies!
Getting far too much like the 'States now - Mum & Dad have cars each, two, or three kids have cars.....many are fairly recent drivers and have zero idea of how to drive in arduous conditions, like Americans have the Mexican, Cuban and South American immigrants, we have 'ours' plus the illegals who all want 'mobility' (so more cars). Yes the USA has a far, far larger land mass than the UK, yet struggles with the numbers, here in UK our landmass is comparitively miniscule in comparision and as NA intimates we are about 20 million greater than the capabilities of the facilities we have. The trip from work to home was 5 minutes now 20 minutes,
Queue's of traffic morning noon and night
The change in 14-15 years is seismic!
Now the morons in charge are promising 1,5 million more houses,
So another 5 million people and 3 million cars !
I’m just praying that when I retire I can avoid the rush and only make a move between 10am and 3 pm !
newsatten said:
roscobbc said:
newsatten said:
We’re a small country with 20 million to many bodies!
Getting far too much like the 'States now - Mum & Dad have cars each, two, or three kids have cars.....many are fairly recent drivers and have zero idea of how to drive in arduous conditions, like Americans have the Mexican, Cuban and South American immigrants, we have 'ours' plus the illegals who all want 'mobility' (so more cars). Yes the USA has a far, far larger land mass than the UK, yet struggles with the numbers, here in UK our landmass is comparitively miniscule in comparision and as NA intimates we are about 20 million greater than the capabilities of the facilities we have. The trip from work to home was 5 minutes now 20 minutes,
Queue's of traffic morning noon and night
The change in 14-15 years is seismic!
Probably took that extra 5 years or so for that to spread outwards beyond the M25.
roscobbc said:
newsatten said:
I’m just praying that when I retire I can avoid the rush and only make a move between 10am and 3 pm !
Thats about the 'window of travel opportunity' we have here........So generally can move around ok,
However for reasons completely unknown to me Whitstable is a trendy must go to place so we’re completely over run with visitors most of the year now,
Half the homes are Air B&B’s etc,
We’re currently in Mallorca and anti tourism is supposed to be a thing here??
We’ve seen none and all the locals are friendly and polite,
But living where I do I could totally understand the locals for getting the hump!
I guess like it or not we’ll have sell up and move and leave the bubble behind, hopefully it will loose it’s appeal and the dfl’s will find another must go to place!!
But this won’t affect the thousands of new houses and the bodies they bring!
newsatten said:
Yes we’ve worked this out as we don’t work Fridays,
So generally can move around ok,
However for reasons completely unknown to me Whitstable is a trendy must go to place so we’re completely over run with visitors most of the year now,
Half the homes are Air B&B’s etc,
We’re currently in Mallorca and anti tourism is supposed to be a thing here??
We’ve seen none and all the locals are friendly and polite,
But living where I do I could totally understand the locals for getting the hump!
I guess like it or not we’ll have sell up and move and leave the bubble behind, hopefully it will loose it’s appeal and the dfi's will find another must go to place!!
But this won’t affect the thousands of new houses and the bodies they bring!
Silly season is just about to start down here with the kids just about to break up for the summer,think the private school already have ,So generally can move around ok,
However for reasons completely unknown to me Whitstable is a trendy must go to place so we’re completely over run with visitors most of the year now,
Half the homes are Air B&B’s etc,
We’re currently in Mallorca and anti tourism is supposed to be a thing here??
We’ve seen none and all the locals are friendly and polite,
But living where I do I could totally understand the locals for getting the hump!
I guess like it or not we’ll have sell up and move and leave the bubble behind, hopefully it will loose it’s appeal and the dfi's will find another must go to place!!
But this won’t affect the thousands of new houses and the bodies they bring!
absolutely dreading it , local's along with day trippers looking to entertain little jonny ,the usual yummy mummys coming down from
Surrey in their 4X4's for a day trip to the beach add to that the full camp sites and caravan parks to the mayhem ,
After 3 years plus building the M27 smart motorway and reopening it 2 years ago they are now finishing off what for some unknow reason didn't back
then causing even more daily grid lock ,3 serious accidents alone last Saterday causing the motorway to be closed completely,
They have made 2 lanes into 3 which just doesn't work what with trucks,large vans and cars fighting for space ,there's major delays every day
due to accidents ,by the time they have cleared the mess up from one accident they are on their way to another one just a few miles further up.
The council have now run out of money to complete the work and applied to Parliament for a loan which now with this new government will take
twice as long as before, Imagine any of us starting a project underfunded and having to beg for more money to finish the job,we just wouldn't have
started it in the begining , wonder how many coucillors it took to ok the the so called improvements and still get it wrong ,
Looks like a 5 am start to get anywhere around here this summer , Must remember to take a open car just in case ,At least i won't miss out on any
sunshine .
Edited by ratrod 2 on Tuesday 9th July 11:32
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