Megasquirt PNP mind boggingly expensive.

[avhbi]

Am I the only one who thinks this?

$700+ for something that I have to then modify for an extra $100 for boost and then map myself from scratch???????

ref: http://www.diyautotune.com/catalog/megasquirtpnp-m...

[skinny]

i didn't find that - think i paid about £300 for mine, little bit on top for some extra bits like the temp sensor and wideband bung. modify and pay $100 for boost tho? not sure what you mean by that - it's ready for boosted cars straight away. and it already has a base map installed which is better than the stock map

compare it to any other standalone ECU and it's pretty cheap i thought...

[youngsyr]

$700 is peanuts for something that would cost your £2K for the equivalent over here for other cars, and then you have to pay extra to "unlock" features like launch control and map switching.

[MX-5 Lazza]

youngsyr said:

$700 is peanuts for something that would cost your £2K for the equivalent over here for other cars, and then you have to pay extra to "unlock" features like launch control and map switching.

£2K???? I've paid £1100 for an Adaptronic + MAP & IAT sensors + plug & play loom + 550cc injectors!

ETA: oh, and nothing is "locked".

Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Thursday 28th January 11:30

[youngsyr]

MX-5 Lazza said:

youngsyr said:

$700 is peanuts for something that would cost your £2K for the equivalent over here for other cars, and then you have to pay extra to "unlock" features like launch control and map switching.

£2K???? I've paid £1100 for an Adaptronic + MAP & IAT sensors + plug & play loom + 550cc injectors!

ETA: oh, and nothing is "locked".

Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Thursday 28th January 11:30

Perhaps I should have said "could" rather than "would", but even so:

http://www.owendevelopments.co.uk/products/product...

Edited by youngsyr on Thursday 28th January 11:41

[avhbi]

skinny said:

i didn't find that - think i paid about £300 for mine, little bit on top for some extra bits like the temp sensor and wideband bung. modify and pay $100 for boost tho? not sure what you mean by that - it's ready for boosted cars straight away. and it already has a base map installed which is better than the stock map

compare it to any other standalone ECU and it's pretty cheap i thought...

Forgive me I'm new to MX5 things I got the prices from diyautotune.com.
My Skyline runs a Nistune ecu that cost £400 to be installed and mapped, then I could tweak it whenever I got something new and shiny to put on it. So $700 for something I'd have to start from scratch with (I assume the base map would be way out for a charged engine) seems a bit steep.

£300 sounds far more reasonable. Where did you get yours and how did you get on with it I you don't mind me asking?

[zac510]

$700 still sounds OK to me. I'd still rather a more expensive one myself.

You're fortunate that nistune has some massive support back in Oz, lots of maps off the shelf. That's very rare.

[avhbi]

The car only cost £800... You've got to love that.

But bunging on another ecu and a Chinese turbo kit (yes the manifold will crack and I'll weld it up until that annoys me) will make for a fun tail happy toy for the nurburgring. Planting the Skyline in the gold plated armco the ring uses doesn't seem that attractive.

Edited by avhbi on Thursday 28th January 15:39

[Gizmo!]

Is that US$, CAN$ or AU$?

700.00 AUD = 389.444 GBP
700.00 USD = 433.500 GBP
700.00 CAD = 408.534 GBP

Once you've paid the import duties...

[avhbi]

$700US for the prices I got off diyautotune.com. And yes good point that doesn't include overseas shipping and duty. Ouch

[avhbi]

Just bunged it through duty calculator and using hsbc's current rates

£555.60 delivered.

Not as bad as I'd initially assumed but I'd like the £300 one and then have a nice wideband.

[youngsyr]

avhbi said:

Just bunged it through duty calculator and using hsbc's current rates

£555.60 delivered.

Not as bad as I'd initially assumed but I'd like the £300 one and then have a nice wideband.

Why do you need standalone, fully mappable management on an £800 track toy - won't the cheaper SC solutions such as a power card etc be up to the job?

Is there much support for DIY mapping boosted MX-5s? For Evos there is a huge amount of support available, but I'm not sure how well that transfers onto MX-5s beyond the basic principles?

Edited by youngsyr on Thursday 28th January 16:48

[Salgar]

youngsyr said:

avhbi said:

Is there much support for DIY mapping boosted MX-5s?

There is, tons, it's all they talk about at mx5nutz and miataturbo.

[youngsyr]

Salgar said:

youngsyr said:

Is there much support for DIY mapping boosted MX-5s?

There is, tons, it's all they talk about at mx5nutz and miataturbo.

Excellent, I take it the Americans are leading the way in the DIY Mapping scene then, just as they are with Evos?

Do you know what the most common solution to enable custom mapping is on the MX-5s? With Evos it's an opensource software programme that was developed to map the stock Evo ECU. The stuff they can do with it now is mind boggling and way beyond even what a lot of professional mappers understand. All unlocked by a handful of guys over the past 3 years.

Edited by youngsyr on Thursday 28th January 17:07

[JSquaredJim]

There are far better ECu's available in the UK for the same money. Such as Link Ecu's new plug and play type. Works out about the same and there are a wide range of base maps on their site to get you started. I'm just about to fit one to my Turbo'd MK1.

[MX-5 Lazza]

If it's just a track toy and you are going to fit a basic non-ic turbo then I'd stick to a simple piggy back - eManage blue would be ideal. All you need is control of the AFR & ignition timing, you don't need any of the extra control a full standalone gives you.

[Salgar]

MX-5 Lazza said:

If it's just a track toy and you are going to fit a basic non-ic turbo then I'd stick to a simple piggy back - eManage blue would be ideal. All you need is control of the AFR & ignition timing, you don't need any of the extra control a full standalone gives you.

Although you can't get rid of the standard MAF with an eManage blue can you?

[youngsyr]

Salgar said:

MX-5 Lazza said:

If it's just a track toy and you are going to fit a basic non-ic turbo then I'd stick to a simple piggy back - eManage blue would be ideal. All you need is control of the AFR & ignition timing, you don't need any of the extra control a full standalone gives you.

Although you can't get rid of the standard MAF with an eManage blue can you?

Why would you want to on a £800 track toy? Surely taking the MAF out is going to make a negligible difference to performance and if the car runs perfectly on it why spend the extra to switch to speed density?

[skinny]

avhbi said:

skinny said:

i didn't find that - think i paid about £300 for mine, little bit on top for some extra bits like the temp sensor and wideband bung. modify and pay $100 for boost tho? not sure what you mean by that - it's ready for boosted cars straight away. and it already has a base map installed which is better than the stock map

compare it to any other standalone ECU and it's pretty cheap i thought...

Forgive me I'm new to MX5 things I got the prices from diyautotune.com.
My Skyline runs a Nistune ecu that cost £400 to be installed and mapped, then I could tweak it whenever I got something new and shiny to put on it. So $700 for something I'd have to start from scratch with (I assume the base map would be way out for a charged engine) seems a bit steep.

£300 sounds far more reasonable. Where did you get yours and how did you get on with it I you don't mind me asking?

i got a friend in america to pick it up for me so saved all the postage and duty costs. this was also a few years back. and it's been sat in the garage since then...

i believe the base map does cover boosted regions although it's quite conservative.

[MX-5 Lazza]

youngsyr said:

Salgar said:

MX-5 Lazza said:

If it's just a track toy and you are going to fit a basic non-ic turbo then I'd stick to a simple piggy back - eManage blue would be ideal. All you need is control of the AFR & ignition timing, you don't need any of the extra control a full standalone gives you.

Although you can't get rid of the standard MAF with an eManage blue can you?

Why would you want to on a £800 track toy? Surely taking the MAF out is going to make a negligible difference to performance and if the car runs perfectly on it why spend the extra to switch to speed density?

Spot on. Removing the MAF will only make any difference at all if you are pushing big boost in which case the MAF would be a restriction but below about 10psi it wouldn't make any noticeable difference at all.
The only good reasons I can see for fitting a standalone would be if you want full control of such things as electronic boost, valve timing, water injection, maf deletion.
If you need to fit bigger injectors the emb can handle up to around 350cc (some run with 440cc) and the emu can handle pretty much any size (and if you are really clever you can do maf deletion too).