First go at DIY - spark plugs and HT leads

First go at DIY - spark plugs and HT leads

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matt uk

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17,955 posts

207 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Hi all,

I mentioned on a previous post that my MX5 is a bit hesitant when hauling a higher gear at low revs and stutters a bit. So I've tucked it into the garage and going to order some new HT leads and spark plugs.

Ok, stop laughing at the back, yes this is the first time I have attempted to do any car-type DIY - (I blame company cars for this..) so leads and plugs seems a pretty good place to start. Feel free to throw me any tips..

Looking at the MX5parts website now and considering either
Magnecor Electrosport 80 Ignition Leads or the cheaper High Performance 8mm Ignition Leads. Much of a difference?

Also, has anyone replaced their spark plugs with Iridium equivalents? What are the benefits?

Cheers,
Matt

MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

226 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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I can't help with plugs but go for the Magnecor leads. They will last a lot longer than the cheapies.
Only 1 piece of advice - change the leads one at a time rather than removing the all then fitting the new ones. Saves fitting them back in the wrong order wink

GreenV8S

30,486 posts

291 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Second the suggestion to change them one at a time. Also be carefull when fitting/removing to only hold them by the rubber end caps and don't pull/push by the lead itself - the leads are quite fragile and easily damaged.

matt uk

Original Poster:

17,955 posts

207 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Thanks guys - that is exactly the sort of tips I need at this stage.

Cheers,
Matt

pmanson

13,387 posts

260 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Whereabouts are you based? If you're around Leighton Buzzard/Milton Keynes i'm happy to show you how to do it.

My recommendation with the leads is to draw a diagram on a piece of paper! That way you know which way they have to be fitted.

franv8

2,212 posts

245 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Magnecor leads a good choice.

Iridium plugs, hmm, can't see the benefit personally. I've just got the long nose ones (NGK) from MX5parts and they seem to work fine.

matt uk

Original Poster:

17,955 posts

207 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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pmanson said:
Whereabouts are you based? If you're around Leighton Buzzard/Milton Keynes i'm happy to show you how to do it.

My recommendation with the leads is to draw a diagram on a piece of paper! That way you know which way they have to be fitted.
Thanks for the offer Phil - I'm down in Kent but will contact you if I'm in your neck of the woods.

Good call on the diagram.

adam85

1,264 posts

198 months

Tuesday 21st October 2008
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Sounds daft, but don't drop the plugs or have them subjected to any knocks or bangs! Also ensure there is no dust/crap that can fall into your engine when replacing the plugs. I find those little keyboard cleaning compressed air canisters do a great job of clearing the area (do this while plugs are still in as not to blow debris straight in! )

roverspeed

700 posts

203 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Lace the threads of the new plugs with a little bit of copper grease to avoid them getting seized in the head.

All the other tips are spot on imo.

OnlyMX5ives

1,142 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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AVIOD Magnecores.

They are rubbish IME... a quick google show show that they have poor quality control.

Whist some last years, some fail VERY quickly.

Std NGK plugs are best too.

MX-5 Lazza

7,954 posts

226 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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OnlyMX5ives said:
AVIOD Magnecores.

They are rubbish IME... a quick google show show that they have poor quality control.

Whist some last years, some fail VERY quickly.

Std NGK plugs are best too.
I won't argue with you, you have MUCH more experience with these cars that me. I was basing my opinion on the number of bad reports I've heard about the cheap leads, I didn't know Magnecor had variable quality.

Edited by MX-5 Lazza on Wednesday 22 October 12:22

GreenV8S

30,486 posts

291 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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OnlyMX5ives said:
They are rubbish IME... a quick google show show that they have poor quality control.

Whist some last years, some fail VERY quickly.
While this idea keeps coming up from time to time, I can't help thinking how delicate these silicone leads are and how easy it would be to damage one while fitting and then blame the manufacturer for supplying a defective lead when it fails a few weeks / months later.

OnlyMX5ives

1,142 posts

199 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Well I have had a set of Racing Beat Ultras on my car for over 10 years...

Two have finally had a problem... but they are rebuildable.

I have a set of Magnecores that look new I'd guess under 3 months old and they have broken.

I'd avoid cheap leads and admit MX5 Parts don't seem to supply an 'average' set.

IIRC either David Manners or Autolink do.

hcanning

4,958 posts

209 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Nice easy job smile Exactly the same job cured exactly the same problem with mine, good luck smile

skinny

5,269 posts

242 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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my magnecors (blue ones) are still going strong for 3 years plus however long the previous owner had them on for smile

like laz, i hadn't heard much negative before about the variability of quality - are they as bad as EBC pads in that regard?? scratchchin

matt uk

Original Poster:

17,955 posts

207 months

Wednesday 22nd October 2008
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Some more good little tips, much appreciated!

Regarding the Magnecores, well I ordered them so will just have to see how they go - I'll be careful with them to avoid accidental damage when fitting.

Cheers,
Matt

franv8

2,212 posts

245 months

Thursday 23rd October 2008
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Hmm, well if I could balance the Magnecor's by 1 set, I've ahd a set on for a couple of years now and they're totally fine, might have got lucky!

I didn't think silicone leads were fragile? Normally refers to the insulation which is generally more flexible and more heat resistant than standard, and of course they are physically much thicker (on the insulation front)

When I get a moment I'll upload a pic of my 1.6 with the Magnecors.

Lastly, NGK stock plugs, I rate them, again never really had one fail prematurely. I'm not a whacko gimmicky carlos fandango plug lover anyway, seems that many in the tuning trade also swear, usually, by normal plugs.

I have currently got the long nose plugs though, not enough time yet to comment, but the engine was happy when it was first turned over (with timing right out too)

matt uk

Original Poster:

17,955 posts

207 months

Thursday 23rd October 2008
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I'll see how these leads go and report back. I went for the long nose NGK plugs as well as they were only a couple of quid extra.

hcanning

4,958 posts

209 months

Friday 24th October 2008
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Take your time when removing and refitting the plugs smile

matt uk

Original Poster:

17,955 posts

207 months

Tuesday 28th October 2008
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I did this job today - the car now feels great! No more hesitation and the midrange feels more eager - a very worthwhile job.
I know a lot of you people can do this sort of job in your sleep, but being my first foray under the bonnet I end the day feeling ridiculously pleased with myself! hehe

And thanks for all your hints and tips thumbup

After finishing the job I had a fantastic roof down drive around Kent / East Sussex borders and then thought I'd give the old girl a full valet.

So..
Purchased a new socket set and a torque wrench (I just love new tools!)
Amazon delivered my "MX5 - Do It Up!" book - very easy for beginners
Drew how it looked before I touch anything, made a brew, took my time
Took care to remove the leads using the rubber boots (the back connectors needed a bit of help from some WD40 and a broad flat screwdriver to break the seals a bit which had bonded - these leads had been on for some time, amybe originals)
Removed some used looking spark plugs
Laced the new NGK plugs with some copper grease on the thread
Installed new plugs (tightened using my new torque wrench!)
Installed the new Magnecor leads - they clicked into place nicely
Fired it up and the engine when straight to a rock solid idle.
Result! Ran indoors to find my sunnies and jacket, got the roof down and off! driving