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had to choose between my fiat coupe 20vt and my mx..and sadly iv decided that i can always find another mx, but good coops are getting to be like hens teeth......details in ad......genuine, regrettable sale, just want another mx5 enthusiast to enjoy the wee buzzbomb..
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/485288.htm
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There may not be any at the moment but there will be soon as that rust at the base of the arch will spread - no question about it.
You've been very honest in the pictures you've posted but I would be surprised if someone can get that lot fixed for £140 or anything close to it. The wing is almost certainly buggered if there's that much rust on the outside - try grinding the arch away and you'll have nothing left.
I dont think that fixing that lot is going to be cheap, and wouldn't want someone to buy it under the impression that it will be.
You've been honest in the pictures which indicate the state of play, but it'll be costly to sort IMO..
You've been very honest in the pictures you've posted but I would be surprised if someone can get that lot fixed for £140 or anything close to it. The wing is almost certainly buggered if there's that much rust on the outside - try grinding the arch away and you'll have nothing left.
I dont think that fixing that lot is going to be cheap, and wouldn't want someone to buy it under the impression that it will be.
You've been honest in the pictures which indicate the state of play, but it'll be costly to sort IMO..
Edited by princeperch on Friday 2nd May 09:02
princeperch said:
There may not be any at the moment but there will be soon as that rust at the base of the arch will spread - no question about it.
You've been very honest in the pictures you've posted but I would be surprised if someone can get that lot fixed for £140 or anything close to it. The wing is almost certainly buggered if there's that much rust on the outside - try grinding the arch away and you'll have nothing left.
I dont think that fixing that lot is going to be cheap, and wouldn't want someone to buy it under the impression that it will be.
You've been honest in the pictures which indicate the state of play, but it'll be costly to sort IMO..
with all due respect, how can you comment on the quality of work i will have done and the price i can have it done for.....????....sure maybe whoever buys it might not be able to get the work done for the same price as i can..but im pretty sure i never suggested, or implied that they would be able to do so in the advert??...what i stated was that I can have the work done for that sum and sell the car for a vastly inflated price if i choose to do so, but id rather sell an original warts n all car and let a potential buyer see any problems the car has......You've been very honest in the pictures you've posted but I would be surprised if someone can get that lot fixed for £140 or anything close to it. The wing is almost certainly buggered if there's that much rust on the outside - try grinding the arch away and you'll have nothing left.
I dont think that fixing that lot is going to be cheap, and wouldn't want someone to buy it under the impression that it will be.
You've been honest in the pictures which indicate the state of play, but it'll be costly to sort IMO..
Edited by princeperch on Friday 2nd May 09:02
the extent of the rot you see in the pics is exactly what i would call 'cosmetic'..the car has never been welded underneath, and nor does it need to be...i had new metal welded into the sills, either side and the repair is fantstic, you cant even see it has had one....again, i never had to tell anyone i had had this work done but chose to do so....
...i find you comments extremely negative and quite unhelpful about a car that is an honest, genuine example and a cheap way into an mx5....all old cars need regular tlc....mx5 to me are rare in that mechanically they are pretty impregnable, ya just gotta keep on top of the bodywork..if i was to keep this car, which is still a possibility, i will have the work done...for £140!!!...totally scrub the underside clean, clear all drain holes, pump everything with waxoyl or similar and liberally douse the underside with similar and garage it for fun days/track days.... which would seem a shame as in my experience, innactivity kills any car...
i havent intened to mislead anyone in the advert, and apologise if anyone feels i have...
Well to be honest I do think it is disingenuous in saying…
"..(i have a quote to get the arches and rust scab fixed for £140..)"
…because you don’t say it’s on mates rates. Anyone else reading this would think, oh its only 140 quids worth of rust to get fixed, when in actual fact it is probably going to be nearer £350-400 upwards.
Yes your car is cheap, and yes you have put pictures there of the bodywork corrosion, but given your location I reckon people might travel from quite a distance to see the car, only to feel a bit misled when they see how much they will have to fork out at market rates to fix the rust.
I think it is a little misleading to state in your ad that basically the rust can be sorted for near buttons (which is your mates rates) when it's in all probability going to cost upwards of 30% of the purchase price to sort it out properly. That’s not really your problem it’s the purchasers problem, but I think it’s a bit naughty to quote a trade repair as being the price the rust can be sorted it.
I would want to price a proper repair which would involve a new rear wing and possibly a new front wing as well, which will cost a tad more than the 140 quid you quote in your ad.
"..(i have a quote to get the arches and rust scab fixed for £140..)"
…because you don’t say it’s on mates rates. Anyone else reading this would think, oh its only 140 quids worth of rust to get fixed, when in actual fact it is probably going to be nearer £350-400 upwards.
Yes your car is cheap, and yes you have put pictures there of the bodywork corrosion, but given your location I reckon people might travel from quite a distance to see the car, only to feel a bit misled when they see how much they will have to fork out at market rates to fix the rust.
I think it is a little misleading to state in your ad that basically the rust can be sorted for near buttons (which is your mates rates) when it's in all probability going to cost upwards of 30% of the purchase price to sort it out properly. That’s not really your problem it’s the purchasers problem, but I think it’s a bit naughty to quote a trade repair as being the price the rust can be sorted it.
I would want to price a proper repair which would involve a new rear wing and possibly a new front wing as well, which will cost a tad more than the 140 quid you quote in your ad.
quote'.i would fully expect a car like this to fetch around £2k if the above problems were sorted..(i have a quote to get the arches and rust scab fixed for £140..)..and i could have 'dressed' the car up and probably achieved that price...but im not in the habit of pulling the wool over anyones eyes, so the car is here warts n all for anyone to see' unquote......
i state that i have a quote for the work...i also state i could have gone down this route and sold the car for a darn sight more....i further state im not in the position of pulling the wool over anyones eyes and would rather any prospective buyers see the car warts and all......i have posted pictures of the affected areas so if anyone has to travel a long way, the yat least know what to expect.....how is this disingenious in any way, shape or form......
my mazda is far from the usual bucket of sh*te you see at this money...they usually have non existant hoods, rattly engines, no history and have an underside like a patchwork quilt when they are much below £1500..or they are very early imports or 1600s....????
id like to thank you for your vicarious indignation at my advert, vicarious because you obviously are not a potential buyer, just another armchair expert who, whether misguided or not, is trying to help potential buyers with your tuppenceworth...which is exactly what i was trying to do with my description..(which i am about to edit as i have no intetnion of misleading anyone...although i still cant see how i have..) perhaps next time i will just have the work done, extract a large profit..(at the minute im only recouping my costs as the mazda was a stopgap car...)..and let the next owner worry about any subsequent repairs...unfortunately, i have a conscience and wont allow myself to do this sort of thing.....christ, i thought honesty was the best policy....???...
i state that i have a quote for the work...i also state i could have gone down this route and sold the car for a darn sight more....i further state im not in the position of pulling the wool over anyones eyes and would rather any prospective buyers see the car warts and all......i have posted pictures of the affected areas so if anyone has to travel a long way, the yat least know what to expect.....how is this disingenious in any way, shape or form......
my mazda is far from the usual bucket of sh*te you see at this money...they usually have non existant hoods, rattly engines, no history and have an underside like a patchwork quilt when they are much below £1500..or they are very early imports or 1600s....????
id like to thank you for your vicarious indignation at my advert, vicarious because you obviously are not a potential buyer, just another armchair expert who, whether misguided or not, is trying to help potential buyers with your tuppenceworth...which is exactly what i was trying to do with my description..(which i am about to edit as i have no intetnion of misleading anyone...although i still cant see how i have..) perhaps next time i will just have the work done, extract a large profit..(at the minute im only recouping my costs as the mazda was a stopgap car...)..and let the next owner worry about any subsequent repairs...unfortunately, i have a conscience and wont allow myself to do this sort of thing.....christ, i thought honesty was the best policy....???...
For £1350 I wouldn't expect the car to be straight. With 2 tiny rust spots around the arches I reckon it's a bargain.
What do you want princeperch? a minter? for £1350?
I don't pay much attention to people's quotes on an advert- they're always subject to conditions. I've considered making biggbn an offer except it's a bit far from the midlands.
If you're that bothered by the rust then you ask biggbn if he can get it fixed and then you make him another offer.
It's all part of "buying a car". To accuse the seller of dihonesty based on an extremely honest advert seems exceptionally rude.
What do you want princeperch? a minter? for £1350?
I don't pay much attention to people's quotes on an advert- they're always subject to conditions. I've considered making biggbn an offer except it's a bit far from the midlands.
If you're that bothered by the rust then you ask biggbn if he can get it fixed and then you make him another offer.
It's all part of "buying a car". To accuse the seller of dihonesty based on an extremely honest advert seems exceptionally rude.
I'm not bothered about being accused of being rude - I just dont want a Phr to buy this car with their eyes shut thinking it'll be a cheap fix, when in actual fact it's far from it.
The rust spots are not small, they have chewed the wing, and I would be doubtful that a lasting spot repair could be done that would make economic sense.
Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said, but I stand by my assertion that I think it's misleading to quote 140 quid for a job thats going to be a lot more to the bloke who buys it.
The rust spots are not small, they have chewed the wing, and I would be doubtful that a lasting spot repair could be done that would make economic sense.
Apologies if I misinterpreted what you said, but I stand by my assertion that I think it's misleading to quote 140 quid for a job thats going to be a lot more to the bloke who buys it.
Edited by princeperch on Friday 2nd May 16:56
we shall agree to differ then...and i hope my ammended ad causes no offence or misleads anyone...im no mazda mx5 expert, but i have owned over 150..yup, 150 cars, so i think by now i have a fair idea what im looking at....but opinions, as ever, are what make forums so enjoyeable, nothing like a bit of verbal cut n thrust..something a trainee lawyer should be used too..??....haha...
..enjoy your mx bro, it looks like a cracker..i hope you have not taken any offence at anything i have said, just felt i had to defend my advert...bare facts are it is a cheap car and im just trying to spread my good fortune at aquiring it and running it cheaply as a stop gap to another enthusiast who hopefully can do the same....
last question i will ask...would you rather buy a car from an honest seller, warts n all, with the cars only faults visible for the eye to see at a cheap price, or pay the market value for a car which on the surface looks good but may have had several coats of paint and seen the bright end of a welders torch on more than one occasion..???....
..enjoy your mx bro, it looks like a cracker..i hope you have not taken any offence at anything i have said, just felt i had to defend my advert...bare facts are it is a cheap car and im just trying to spread my good fortune at aquiring it and running it cheaply as a stop gap to another enthusiast who hopefully can do the same....
last question i will ask...would you rather buy a car from an honest seller, warts n all, with the cars only faults visible for the eye to see at a cheap price, or pay the market value for a car which on the surface looks good but may have had several coats of paint and seen the bright end of a welders torch on more than one occasion..???....
For anyone who's been put off- this just goes to show how cheap MX5's are to get fixed up:
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Seems to me that princeperch owes biggbn an apology...
http://www.pistonheads.com/xforums/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Seems to me that princeperch owes biggbn an apology...
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