Any 2.0 ND BBR Super 200 kit here?
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Hi all !
Last week I bought a new 2.0 Sport ND in soul red.
Coming from a 2001 NBFL 1.8 on Ohlins I'm really enjoying these first kms of run in, the car feels lighter, the gears shorter, gear leverage is better too.
Something is lost in steering feel but less than I was expecting.
It feels much more tail happy than the NB in its original form but also well planted when driving clean being careful to weight transfers, so not so sure the first thing needed is a set of Ohlins here too.
Downsides are some rattles in the cabin: left harness surround plastic, right side passenger vent (LHD car), the central part of the dash and something related to the wind stopper behind my head.
Also third and fourth gear whine a bit at around 3-4000 rpm.
The car was built in March '17 so it should have the second version of the gearbox with some parts changed.
As from title I'd like to upgrade the engine next spring after the first 3-4000 kms.
Would love that kit if the claimed gains are real...did someone go that way?
Is there some independent dyno chart of that kit fitted?
+45 hp seem a bit optimistic to me and my mechanic...
First idea was ordering a kit in DIY form but I could also decide to have a trip to Brackley next spring from Northern Italy driving trough the Alps, the Ring and spending some days in London (last part for the co-passenger!)
Last week I bought a new 2.0 Sport ND in soul red.
Coming from a 2001 NBFL 1.8 on Ohlins I'm really enjoying these first kms of run in, the car feels lighter, the gears shorter, gear leverage is better too.
Something is lost in steering feel but less than I was expecting.
It feels much more tail happy than the NB in its original form but also well planted when driving clean being careful to weight transfers, so not so sure the first thing needed is a set of Ohlins here too.
Downsides are some rattles in the cabin: left harness surround plastic, right side passenger vent (LHD car), the central part of the dash and something related to the wind stopper behind my head.
Also third and fourth gear whine a bit at around 3-4000 rpm.
The car was built in March '17 so it should have the second version of the gearbox with some parts changed.
As from title I'd like to upgrade the engine next spring after the first 3-4000 kms.
Would love that kit if the claimed gains are real...did someone go that way?
Is there some independent dyno chart of that kit fitted?
+45 hp seem a bit optimistic to me and my mechanic...
First idea was ordering a kit in DIY form but I could also decide to have a trip to Brackley next spring from Northern Italy driving trough the Alps, the Ring and spending some days in London (last part for the co-passenger!)
Mr.Brick said:
+45 hp seem a bit optimistic to me and my mechanic...
I have the 185 kit on the NC and it dyno'd as that (would have been more on Super unleaded). The equivalent ND kit (manifold back exhaust) puts out 190PS, so different cams to add 15PS isn't really pushing it. PH did a review on it a while back. Damn, if only I could fit in the ND ..I went with the Super 190. I've not independently RR'd it but it was clearly much quicker than the standard car and sounded considerably better as well, which was nice!
Still debating between the 200 or the turbo kit for my next upgrade.
Couldn't fault the service from BBR and I got their 3 year warranty to help my peace of mind
Still debating between the 200 or the turbo kit for my next upgrade.
Couldn't fault the service from BBR and I got their 3 year warranty to help my peace of mind
Thankyou for the replies
Here in Italy a well respected tuner gets 180 real hp with the equivalent of the "190" kit and mapping (stock car dyoned 160 hp before)...no CAI only a panel filter to be honest but I can't see 10 hp there
15 hp from a set of cams still seem quite a lot according to my previous K-series and Duratecs experiences...
Anyway I'm happy the 190 BBR kit feels significantly faster than stock; at your point I'd go on with the 200 kit as gearboxes seem to be too fragile for a turbo
Do your third and fourth gear whine a bit too?
I'm trying to stay under 4000 rpm these first 1000 km...it already feels nicely torquey there
Here in Italy a well respected tuner gets 180 real hp with the equivalent of the "190" kit and mapping (stock car dyoned 160 hp before)...no CAI only a panel filter to be honest but I can't see 10 hp there
15 hp from a set of cams still seem quite a lot according to my previous K-series and Duratecs experiences...
Anyway I'm happy the 190 BBR kit feels significantly faster than stock; at your point I'd go on with the 200 kit as gearboxes seem to be too fragile for a turbo
Do your third and fourth gear whine a bit too?
I'm trying to stay under 4000 rpm these first 1000 km...it already feels nicely torquey there
MX5s have seemingly always had drivetrain "backlash" to a lesser or greater extent. Mine has some especially when you lift off from hard throttle but not a major rattle just a bit of "white-noise".
I think I'm with you on the 200 though, that's where I keep ending up instinctively but I just hope I won't regret not getting the extra power!
I think I'm with you on the 200 though, that's where I keep ending up instinctively but I just hope I won't regret not getting the extra power!
Maybe I am of the "old school" but I prefer NA experience in general
200 real hp at 7000 rpm with a good torque at low-mid revs from direct injection would thick all my boxes : )
The whine of my gearbox is an almost Caterham one (but much quieter), only accelerating 3 to 4000 rpm, only 3rd 4th gear
How and how long did you run in your cars?
200 real hp at 7000 rpm with a good torque at low-mid revs from direct injection would thick all my boxes : )
The whine of my gearbox is an almost Caterham one (but much quieter), only accelerating 3 to 4000 rpm, only 3rd 4th gear
How and how long did you run in your cars?
Edited by Mr.Brick on Sunday 24th September 10:55
I'll be honest and say mine didn't get the most textbook of running in periods. I put the 190 kit on it within a fortnight of buying it and it had a busy little couple of weeks after it was installed. No red-lining and no constant rpms on long motorways but I was using up to 5-6k rpm regularly. No engine labouring either as the exhaust was horrible at lower rpm whilst it was getting coked up and I prefer to be in more responsive gear in any event..
Oil use was fine although I didn't do an oil change until after 6 months - actually thinking about it I'll do that again soon
Oil use was fine although I didn't do an oil change until after 6 months - actually thinking about it I'll do that again soon
Yes, S200 ND here and we're 5k miles in over the last 12x months.
If you're happy with the outlay then you will not be disappointed, the results are very noticeable.
We're running approx. 214bhp via the full fat S200 conversion, bucket loads of low down torque which I was really surprised with. Mazda have given BBR a good canvas with the Sky Active engine design.
Not cheap but the quality of the work is superb, car feels totally OEM but just quicker and more exciting to drive more of the time.
No real downsides as I see it.
If you're happy with the outlay then you will not be disappointed, the results are very noticeable.
We're running approx. 214bhp via the full fat S200 conversion, bucket loads of low down torque which I was really surprised with. Mazda have given BBR a good canvas with the Sky Active engine design.
Not cheap but the quality of the work is superb, car feels totally OEM but just quicker and more exciting to drive more of the time.
No real downsides as I see it.
Thank you all for the answers...
I found a BBR 190 kit here too, the owner is very happy with power delivery, mpg and sound, but he said to have seen 160/176 bhp on the same dyno before/after the upgrade in a couple of days.
Similar results have bene optained by a well reputed tuner on several NDs with bis custom induction/exhaust/ecutek mods.
I found a BBR 190 kit here too, the owner is very happy with power delivery, mpg and sound, but he said to have seen 160/176 bhp on the same dyno before/after the upgrade in a couple of days.
Similar results have bene optained by a well reputed tuner on several NDs with bis custom induction/exhaust/ecutek mods.
I bought a NC with the BBR200 kit already fitted but had just sold the same model car without the kit fitted, the BBR200 kit makes a massive difference, this one is much quicker, there is a map upgrade for mine @ £99 but its a 300+ mile round trip to get it done as the car has to go back to Brackley so maybe next summer I might tie it in with a weekend break somewhere
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