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Mattlan

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394 posts

211 months

Friday 2nd January 2015
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p reg Dakar special edition 1.8 just done cambelt /waterpump

car was a do upper on purchase and was running a little rough

presumed cam change / service would resolve

put back together and the car is running v badly, hunting / occasional misfire, just not happy.

Firstly timing is spot on, have run it, stripped back down and everything lines up perfectly

battery is good ,12 volts + , to 14 volts running

standard air box, pulling the meter wires kills the engine

ht leads 4 1 2 3 as they should be, good spark on all cylinders

all electrical plugs well fastened in

all vacuum pipes attached

cant swop out ECU as key coded i believe

been tearing my hair out for the last couple of days and all suggestions, however wild / mad/ ridiculous will be gratefully received

car is on ramps so underneath easily accessible

two other 1.8's (working) in the yard so can swop out bits ( apart from coil which curiously has different connections to the other two 1.8's ( one of which is another Dakar....you would have thought they had identical engines??)
as an update, ht leads swopped out still runs rough

starting from cold, she does what i would expect and idles around 1500 for a little then settles, it's when she starts to warm through that the lumpiness begins, with the idle dropping until she nearly stalls and then picking up again......its like she is starved of fuel for a moment ( gauge indicates quarter of tank, fuel pump is working, i haven't changed filter yet. pull the injector leads and she stumbles as you would expect


many thanks in advance

snotrag

14,829 posts

217 months

Friday 2nd January 2015
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Sure its running lean not rich once warmed up?

Check the various temperature sensors, dud sensor will let it warm up properly but will run very rich once warm, enough to cause misfire.

Also check lambda sensor, run engine, once warm, pull the plug, see what happens. If lambda sensor working it should over about ten seconds richen right up, you'll hear, smell, and feel it.

If there's no change when unplugged, could be dud.

MX-5 Lazza

7,952 posts

225 months

Friday 2nd January 2015
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Have you taken a look at the ECU to check for water damage yet?

Mattlan

Original Poster:

394 posts

211 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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passenger floor is mint, no waterevidence at all, but unusually two of the three bolts to the panel that protects the ecu are secured by what appear to be big rivets??

Mattlan

Original Poster:

394 posts

211 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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snotrag lambda sensor tomorrow!!

snotrag

14,829 posts

217 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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Mattlan said:
passenger floor is mint, no waterevidence at all, but unusually two of the three bolts to the panel that protects the ecu are secured by what appear to be big rivets??
Thats normal on UK cars, some sort of regulation about not being able to mess with things.

MX-5 Lazza

7,952 posts

225 months

Saturday 3rd January 2015
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I'd still take a look at the ECU to check for water damage if only to rule it out.

wildoliver

8,961 posts

222 months

Sunday 4th January 2015
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They aren't rivets they are shear bolts, hammer and small chisel and mole grips soon have them out.


Mattlan

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394 posts

211 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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if it helps anyone else, the end to the sorry tale.

Lambda swopped out for known good one, HT leads changed, water temp sensor removed, checked for resistance, replaced once cleaned up, etc etc etc

Yesterday one of the other mechanics at the garage whose lift i'm borrowing popped in. Have you checked the AFM, he says. No I haven't , as Dave looked at that early on and made no comment as to the efficiency of it...

well can you swop it out he says, so I go and get another one off the other car, fit it, and low and behold the car purrs like a kitten!!

Check the original and looking into the aperture there appears to be something ( plastic, cotton, material) laying across the two wires. Don't know exactly how these work, but for the benefit of others

engine fine when starting from cold, but within 20 seconds staring to run roughly, failing the rev correctly , check the Air Flow Meter!!! save yourself the heartache ( and knackered hands) of trying to work around the back of the engine block!!!!

VladD

7,990 posts

271 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Glad you got it resolved.

snotrag

14,829 posts

217 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Mattlan said:
Check the original and looking into the aperture there appears to be something ( plastic, cotton, material) laying across the two wires. Don't know exactly how these work, but for the benefit of others...
1.6 has Air flow meter (AFM) - a moving flap, the flap moves a variable resistor to output a varying voltage.

1.8 has a hot wire MAF - Mass Air Flow sensor.

Thin wire or filament which has a defined resistance. The volume of air flowing past cools the wire, changing its resistance.

So a foreign body in the MAF will definitely screw it up!

(That's why you need to be careful using oiled air filters on a car with a MAF - the oil can screw it up too. )

Mattlan

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394 posts

211 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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thanks for that concise explanation!!

give me a shout next time you're passing, I need to see that little beauty!

snotrag

14,829 posts

217 months

Monday 5th January 2015
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Its not going anywhere fast at the moment I'm afraid, got a diff to fit and other bits and bobs. Parked it start of December, can't bear to get it salty!