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I bought a 04csl of him a few weeks ago.
decent bloke to deal with ...Jason is his name.
I had a good look at the car which has quite alot of stone chips (dont they all! ), he says he will paint it but wants the prospective purchaser to see what its like before paint so he cant be accused of covering up damage !! . good point i suppose.
other than that its clean. its been tracked, had 'ap brakes' on it when i looked at it but dont let that put you off, anyone that tells you they have a csl that aint been tracked is telling porkies!!
i bought the other one he had because i specifically wanter a 04 registered car as they are worth more over here in ireland.
decent bloke to deal with ...Jason is his name.
I had a good look at the car which has quite alot of stone chips (dont they all! ), he says he will paint it but wants the prospective purchaser to see what its like before paint so he cant be accused of covering up damage !! . good point i suppose.
other than that its clean. its been tracked, had 'ap brakes' on it when i looked at it but dont let that put you off, anyone that tells you they have a csl that aint been tracked is telling porkies!!
i bought the other one he had because i specifically wanter a 04 registered car as they are worth more over here in ireland.
scotty_917 said:
scotty_917 said:
alpinestars said:
Avoid!!!! Do your own work but it's more than the bumper that's been sprayed on this car.
What info can you give, as it'd be interesting to any possible purchaser?
Does anybody else know anything about this car?
As I said, everyone should do their own work on this, and I have seen the car and walked. Here is a link to comments on another board.
www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=527217&an=0&page=0#527217
alpinestars said:
scotty_917 said:
scotty_917 said:
alpinestars said:
Avoid!!!! Do your own work but it's more than the bumper that's been sprayed on this car.
What info can you give, as it'd be interesting to any possible purchaser?
Does anybody else know anything about this car?
As I said, everyone should do their own work on this, and I have seen the car and walked. Here is a link to comments on another board.
www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=527217&an=0&page=0#527217
I'm not a registered user of this site, so access was denied! What is your general opinion of the car?
scotty_917 said:
alpinestars said:
scotty_917 said:
scotty_917 said:
alpinestars said:
Avoid!!!! Do your own work but it's more than the bumper that's been sprayed on this car.
What info can you give, as it'd be interesting to any possible purchaser?
Does anybody else know anything about this car?
As I said, everyone should do their own work on this, and I have seen the car and walked. Here is a link to comments on another board.
www.bm3w.co.uk/ubbthreads/showflat.php?Cat=0&Number=527217&an=0&page=0#527217
I'm not a registered user of this site, so access was denied! What is your general opinion of the car?
Have emailed you
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Scotty, here are the comments from one of the users on the site. The car has now been painted and "repaired" but it's not something the dealer has been too upfront about until recently when he realised he has had to come clean about some of the work on the car.
i viewed this car
front end was battered with stone damage
marks all over bodywork
bad scuffs to plastics as you get in car
it had ap brakes on tho they werent included as they had some oe spec ones
wheels were clattered tho they had some others they showed me that were scratched to bits but "it will all polish out mate"
both black strips either side of carbon roof were bubbling from inside out at the ends
steering wheel was well worn
scratches to inside carbon panels ie doors
coin holder/compartment in centre console had no little protective mat init and subsequently was badly scratched
sill plates showed signs of water ingress
guy said it was going to paint
but if i wanted a really mintjob doing it would cost extra!!!
also had a power steering issue/noise that he said he would try and get sorted at dealer
he told me it wasbooked in for paint 6 weeks plus ago
j
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Scotty, here are the comments from one of the users on the site. The car has now been painted and "repaired" but it's not something the dealer has been too upfront about until recently when he realised he has had to come clean about some of the work on the car.
i viewed this car
front end was battered with stone damage
marks all over bodywork
bad scuffs to plastics as you get in car
it had ap brakes on tho they werent included as they had some oe spec ones
wheels were clattered tho they had some others they showed me that were scratched to bits but "it will all polish out mate"
both black strips either side of carbon roof were bubbling from inside out at the ends
steering wheel was well worn
scratches to inside carbon panels ie doors
coin holder/compartment in centre console had no little protective mat init and subsequently was badly scratched
sill plates showed signs of water ingress
guy said it was going to paint
but if i wanted a really mintjob doing it would cost extra!!!
also had a power steering issue/noise that he said he would try and get sorted at dealer
he told me it wasbooked in for paint 6 weeks plus ago
j
alpinestars said:
Scotty, here are the comments from one of the users on the site. The car has now been painted and "repaired" but it's not something the dealer has been too upfront about until recently when he realised he has had to come clean about some of the work on the car.
i viewed this car
front end was battered with stone damage
marks all over bodywork
bad scuffs to plastics as you get in car
it had ap brakes on tho they werent included as they had some oe spec ones
wheels were clattered tho they had some others they showed me that were scratched to bits but "it will all polish out mate"
both black strips either side of carbon roof were bubbling from inside out at the ends
steering wheel was well worn
scratches to inside carbon panels ie doors
coin holder/compartment in centre console had no little protective mat init and subsequently was badly scratched
sill plates showed signs of water ingress
guy said it was going to paint
but if i wanted a really mintjob doing it would cost extra!!!
also had a power steering issue/noise that he said he would try and get sorted at dealer
he told me it wasbooked in for paint 6 weeks plus ago
j
i viewed this car
front end was battered with stone damage
marks all over bodywork
bad scuffs to plastics as you get in car
it had ap brakes on tho they werent included as they had some oe spec ones
wheels were clattered tho they had some others they showed me that were scratched to bits but "it will all polish out mate"
both black strips either side of carbon roof were bubbling from inside out at the ends
steering wheel was well worn
scratches to inside carbon panels ie doors
coin holder/compartment in centre console had no little protective mat init and subsequently was badly scratched
sill plates showed signs of water ingress
guy said it was going to paint
but if i wanted a really mintjob doing it would cost extra!!!
also had a power steering issue/noise that he said he would try and get sorted at dealer
he told me it wasbooked in for paint 6 weeks plus ago
j
Many thanks j....for the money I think I'll steer clear!
Hello all!
I appreciate comments made by people that have seen the car unprepared however I would like to take the opportunity to set this straight.
Allow me to introduce myself!
I work on a very open basis with customers that you don't always get from a main dealer and I am always comfortable showing cars as they are and most buyers appreciate this.
Main dealers don't tend to do things this way as it can put people off seeing cars with stone chip damage ect. I know this very well as the first 16 of the 20 years that I've sold cars were at main franchised dealers. When you have a car as this one, that had not seen a paintshop and being a one owner (bar the supplying dealer) I believe it is important to show it as is and explain that the work will be done rather than 'cover' things up.
I am an extremely fussy person indeed and turn away as many M3's as I buy. When you buy a car with the wealth of knowledge that I have with ones own money, you tend to be more careful than when you work for someone else using their money.
The M3 CSL that I currently have for sale on Pistonheads has now been properly prepared. Due to the volume of other cars being sold it has taken longer as sold cars have taken priority.
Like I said above, I appreciate these comments of the 2 people that have seen the car.
At the end of the day, there's plenty of experts out there dishing out their professional advice on the subject. With all due respect to web forums that i don't normally go into (I prefer driving cars than talking about them!) I know (as an experienced M3 owner and proper petrolhead) that I have a good CSL here for sale. I am sure that someone will very soon come along, see the car and I will be completely open and give them the best advice in the business.
All I can say is that I've bought and sold nearly 70 pre-owned E46 M3's including 12 previous CSL's (perhaps this one being the 13th is bad luck for me!) Of all these cars I've bought and sold I'll happily buy every one of them back to sell again.
So, Can I suggest this:
Come and view the car in person. I will happily give all the time needed and answer any questions you have about E46 M3's.
I will not try to sell you this car at all, but I think that if you are searching for an M3 CSL it is worth seeing as many as you can to build up your own knowledge of them.
I would be grateful (as I have not been offered the proper opportunity to defend myself or the car to these people) if you could forward this e-mail to these third parties and any forum that you feel may be useful.
In addition:
Putting my 20 years of looking at vehicle bodywork aside.
Due to the comments made on this and another web forum i will be having the car inspected by BMW, Bolams Paintshop (whom i use for paint) and the RAC to substantiate if this car has been previously painted. Rest assured if their findings are negative anyone listing untuths about this vehicle on this or any other forum will find themselves in court.
All the best and kind regards
Jason Barker
JBSC
I appreciate comments made by people that have seen the car unprepared however I would like to take the opportunity to set this straight.
Allow me to introduce myself!
I work on a very open basis with customers that you don't always get from a main dealer and I am always comfortable showing cars as they are and most buyers appreciate this.
Main dealers don't tend to do things this way as it can put people off seeing cars with stone chip damage ect. I know this very well as the first 16 of the 20 years that I've sold cars were at main franchised dealers. When you have a car as this one, that had not seen a paintshop and being a one owner (bar the supplying dealer) I believe it is important to show it as is and explain that the work will be done rather than 'cover' things up.
I am an extremely fussy person indeed and turn away as many M3's as I buy. When you buy a car with the wealth of knowledge that I have with ones own money, you tend to be more careful than when you work for someone else using their money.
The M3 CSL that I currently have for sale on Pistonheads has now been properly prepared. Due to the volume of other cars being sold it has taken longer as sold cars have taken priority.
Like I said above, I appreciate these comments of the 2 people that have seen the car.
At the end of the day, there's plenty of experts out there dishing out their professional advice on the subject. With all due respect to web forums that i don't normally go into (I prefer driving cars than talking about them!) I know (as an experienced M3 owner and proper petrolhead) that I have a good CSL here for sale. I am sure that someone will very soon come along, see the car and I will be completely open and give them the best advice in the business.
All I can say is that I've bought and sold nearly 70 pre-owned E46 M3's including 12 previous CSL's (perhaps this one being the 13th is bad luck for me!) Of all these cars I've bought and sold I'll happily buy every one of them back to sell again.
So, Can I suggest this:
Come and view the car in person. I will happily give all the time needed and answer any questions you have about E46 M3's.
I will not try to sell you this car at all, but I think that if you are searching for an M3 CSL it is worth seeing as many as you can to build up your own knowledge of them.
I would be grateful (as I have not been offered the proper opportunity to defend myself or the car to these people) if you could forward this e-mail to these third parties and any forum that you feel may be useful.
In addition:
Putting my 20 years of looking at vehicle bodywork aside.
Due to the comments made on this and another web forum i will be having the car inspected by BMW, Bolams Paintshop (whom i use for paint) and the RAC to substantiate if this car has been previously painted. Rest assured if their findings are negative anyone listing untuths about this vehicle on this or any other forum will find themselves in court.
All the best and kind regards
Jason Barker
JBSC
With the greatest of respect Jason, this is the Internet!
Believe it or not, private sellers have the same trouble as dealers when trying to sell our cars, we have to put up with no end of abuse, haggling, bad mouthing and usually face to face, let alone on a horrid faceless and nameless medium such as the Internet.
Let Mr BMW and the RAC and Uncle Tom Cobley take a peek at the car. And what they say is bible correct is it? If potential buyers think there's a problem they won't buy, regardless of what 'experts' testify to otherwise. And unfortunately, as far as I'm aware you can't yet throw someone in jail for stating as much on a bloody forum - I'm really not sure what your motives are dishing out legal threats because you're hacked off you can't sell a motor?
Please don't take me to court for this post. Instead just remember that in life, you don't always get everything your own way, even if you are a car dealer!
Believe it or not, private sellers have the same trouble as dealers when trying to sell our cars, we have to put up with no end of abuse, haggling, bad mouthing and usually face to face, let alone on a horrid faceless and nameless medium such as the Internet.
Let Mr BMW and the RAC and Uncle Tom Cobley take a peek at the car. And what they say is bible correct is it? If potential buyers think there's a problem they won't buy, regardless of what 'experts' testify to otherwise. And unfortunately, as far as I'm aware you can't yet throw someone in jail for stating as much on a bloody forum - I'm really not sure what your motives are dishing out legal threats because you're hacked off you can't sell a motor?
Please don't take me to court for this post. Instead just remember that in life, you don't always get everything your own way, even if you are a car dealer!
In reply to gyrock, the whole thing is really quite pathetic.
Tittle tattle!
However there are laws in this country to protect people against slander and as far as i'm aware the internet is not exempt from these laws. As you rightly point out this is a forum for people to be able to voice their comments and i feel i have the right to voice mine in return.
In answer to your question about my motives, i am trying to run a business honestly and professionally and make a living like everyone else. The comments made here are not only damaging to the the car but could also have an impact on me and my business.
In answer to robm3 the whole point here is that the comments made were exaggerated and unfair.
Tittle tattle!
However there are laws in this country to protect people against slander and as far as i'm aware the internet is not exempt from these laws. As you rightly point out this is a forum for people to be able to voice their comments and i feel i have the right to voice mine in return.
In answer to your question about my motives, i am trying to run a business honestly and professionally and make a living like everyone else. The comments made here are not only damaging to the the car but could also have an impact on me and my business.
In answer to robm3 the whole point here is that the comments made were exaggerated and unfair.
JBSC said:
In reply to gyrock, the whole thing is really quite pathetic.
Tittle tattle!
However there are laws in this country to protect people against slander and as far as i'm aware the internet is not exempt from these laws. As you rightly point out this is a forum for people to be able to voice their comments and i feel i have the right to voice mine in return.
In answer to your question about my motives, i am trying to run a business honestly and professionally and make a living like everyone else. The comments made here are not only damaging to the the car but could also have an impact on me and my business.
In answer to robm3 the whole point here is that the comments made were exaggerated and unfair.
Tittle tattle!
However there are laws in this country to protect people against slander and as far as i'm aware the internet is not exempt from these laws. As you rightly point out this is a forum for people to be able to voice their comments and i feel i have the right to voice mine in return.
In answer to your question about my motives, i am trying to run a business honestly and professionally and make a living like everyone else. The comments made here are not only damaging to the the car but could also have an impact on me and my business.
In answer to robm3 the whole point here is that the comments made were exaggerated and unfair.
May I suggest that your threat of legal action in your first post on this site may in fact be damaging your business somewhat more. I can understand your obvious frustration, but an opening post on the UK's largest motoring forum such as yours is likely to hurt business more than one persons view of your car even if it maybe based on bad information or an inaccuracy. Many of us are able to form our own opinions, and many of us have owned the cars we discuss in such forums, and know many others who have owned them too. We are often every bit as informed as dealers and in some cases more so. To dismiss them or belittle them with lines like "I prefer driving cars to talking about them" is again somewhat assumptive. Many of the valued contributors to this forum work in your trade and feel they, like me, and many others, can do both driving and talking.
JBSC said:
Hello all!
I appreciate comments made by people that have seen the car unprepared however I would like to take the opportunity to set this straight.
Allow me to introduce myself!
I work on a very open basis with customers that you don't always get from a main dealer and I am always comfortable showing cars as they are and most buyers appreciate this.
Main dealers don't tend to do things this way as it can put people off seeing cars with stone chip damage ect. I know this very well as the first 16 of the 20 years that I've sold cars were at main franchised dealers. When you have a car as this one, that had not seen a paintshop and being a one owner (bar the supplying dealer) I believe it is important to show it as is and explain that the work will be done rather than 'cover' things up.
I am an extremely fussy person indeed and turn away as many M3's as I buy. When you buy a car with the wealth of knowledge that I have with ones own money, you tend to be more careful than when you work for someone else using their money.
The M3 CSL that I currently have for sale on Pistonheads has now been properly prepared. Due to the volume of other cars being sold it has taken longer as sold cars have taken priority.
Like I said above, I appreciate these comments of the 2 people that have seen the car.
At the end of the day, there's plenty of experts out there dishing out their professional advice on the subject. With all due respect to web forums that i don't normally go into (I prefer driving cars than talking about them!) I know (as an experienced M3 owner and proper petrolhead) that I have a good CSL here for sale. I am sure that someone will very soon come along, see the car and I will be completely open and give them the best advice in the business.
All I can say is that I've bought and sold nearly 70 pre-owned E46 M3's including 12 previous CSL's (perhaps this one being the 13th is bad luck for me!) Of all these cars I've bought and sold I'll happily buy every one of them back to sell again.
So, Can I suggest this:
Come and view the car in person. I will happily give all the time needed and answer any questions you have about E46 M3's.
I will not try to sell you this car at all, but I think that if you are searching for an M3 CSL it is worth seeing as many as you can to build up your own knowledge of them.
I would be grateful (as I have not been offered the proper opportunity to defend myself or the car to these people) if you could forward this e-mail to these third parties and any forum that you feel may be useful.
In addition:
Putting my 20 years of looking at vehicle bodywork aside.
Due to the comments made on this and another web forum i will be having the car inspected by BMW, Bolams Paintshop (whom i use for paint) and the RAC to substantiate if this car has been previously painted. Rest assured if their findings are negative anyone listing untuths about this vehicle on this or any other forum will find themselves in court.
All the best and kind regards
Jason Barker
JBSC
I appreciate comments made by people that have seen the car unprepared however I would like to take the opportunity to set this straight.
Allow me to introduce myself!
I work on a very open basis with customers that you don't always get from a main dealer and I am always comfortable showing cars as they are and most buyers appreciate this.
Main dealers don't tend to do things this way as it can put people off seeing cars with stone chip damage ect. I know this very well as the first 16 of the 20 years that I've sold cars were at main franchised dealers. When you have a car as this one, that had not seen a paintshop and being a one owner (bar the supplying dealer) I believe it is important to show it as is and explain that the work will be done rather than 'cover' things up.
I am an extremely fussy person indeed and turn away as many M3's as I buy. When you buy a car with the wealth of knowledge that I have with ones own money, you tend to be more careful than when you work for someone else using their money.
The M3 CSL that I currently have for sale on Pistonheads has now been properly prepared. Due to the volume of other cars being sold it has taken longer as sold cars have taken priority.
Like I said above, I appreciate these comments of the 2 people that have seen the car.
At the end of the day, there's plenty of experts out there dishing out their professional advice on the subject. With all due respect to web forums that i don't normally go into (I prefer driving cars than talking about them!) I know (as an experienced M3 owner and proper petrolhead) that I have a good CSL here for sale. I am sure that someone will very soon come along, see the car and I will be completely open and give them the best advice in the business.
All I can say is that I've bought and sold nearly 70 pre-owned E46 M3's including 12 previous CSL's (perhaps this one being the 13th is bad luck for me!) Of all these cars I've bought and sold I'll happily buy every one of them back to sell again.
So, Can I suggest this:
Come and view the car in person. I will happily give all the time needed and answer any questions you have about E46 M3's.
I will not try to sell you this car at all, but I think that if you are searching for an M3 CSL it is worth seeing as many as you can to build up your own knowledge of them.
I would be grateful (as I have not been offered the proper opportunity to defend myself or the car to these people) if you could forward this e-mail to these third parties and any forum that you feel may be useful.
In addition:
Putting my 20 years of looking at vehicle bodywork aside.
Due to the comments made on this and another web forum i will be having the car inspected by BMW, Bolams Paintshop (whom i use for paint) and the RAC to substantiate if this car has been previously painted. Rest assured if their findings are negative anyone listing untuths about this vehicle on this or any other forum will find themselves in court.
All the best and kind regards
Jason Barker
JBSC
There is no problem with having some cosmetic work done. The problem arises when the work is not cosmetic (ie the wheel arch damage, not caused by just kerbing the wheels), but more so by the disingenious way in which you describe the car. The description has changed in time from no paint, to the front bumper, to the front bumper and bonnet, to the front bumper, bonnet and wings etc etc etc. Taking someone to court because you are tying to sell a not so clean car is laughable. And before you ask, yes I have seen the car - your attitude stank.
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