Best CSl on the market?
Discussion
I am currently living overseas which makes my search for the best possible CSL rather difficult.
Which do you reckon is the best buy out of these cars?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/131331.htm
www.pistonheads.com/sales/127749.htm
Or any other ideas?
Thanks.
Which do you reckon is the best buy out of these cars?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/131331.htm
www.pistonheads.com/sales/127749.htm
Or any other ideas?
Thanks.
The first one with the upgraded brakes is mine. It's a cracking car (well I would say that wouldn't I). The car is in tip top condition and the brakes are awesome. People sometimes forget that front and rear AP upgrade is nearly £3.5k new and worth £2k second hand. Then add onto the fact that the audio system and phone kit cost me upwards of £2.5k. The sound system is no weight at all (in fact the speakers are lighter than OEM) and it has to be heard to get a real idea of what it's like. A proper audiophile upgrade, quality and not chavvy at all. I believe it is priced very well also.
It doesn't have the extended warranty but a prospective owner needs to ask themselves do they really perceive themselves spending £1300 (£1050 plus £250 excess) on a CSL in a year? Engine & gearbox are near on bullet proof and things like RTABs, springs, trim etc. are not covered under extended warranty anyway. The new BMW extended warranty policy is a complete con IMHO and I would love to hear if any CSL owners have ever actually used it at all. Fair play with the 3 year manufacturers warranty which is excellent but the extended warranty is not right if you ask me. Anyway, the BMW car club warranty is pretty good and can be added at any time.
It doesn't have the extended warranty but a prospective owner needs to ask themselves do they really perceive themselves spending £1300 (£1050 plus £250 excess) on a CSL in a year? Engine & gearbox are near on bullet proof and things like RTABs, springs, trim etc. are not covered under extended warranty anyway. The new BMW extended warranty policy is a complete con IMHO and I would love to hear if any CSL owners have ever actually used it at all. Fair play with the 3 year manufacturers warranty which is excellent but the extended warranty is not right if you ask me. Anyway, the BMW car club warranty is pretty good and can be added at any time.
Upgraded brakes are a £2000 upgrade and transform the car (i.e. match the altertness of the other controls). Remaining warranty is much less of an issue if whichever car you have in mind has received all of the fixes and replacements that CSLs need. Once these have been undertaken the CSL is pretty much bulletproof IMO and far more reliable than I remember my old M3 being.
Warranties on any CSL are worth there weight in gold, yes you may well not have to use one but if you dont have one and need repairs/replacements prices are steep.Bmws extended warranty is rubbish at a silly price.My old Csl needed a new rear diff and if this had not been warranty work i may well have shed a tear or two.Two be honest both examples seem a little pricey to me,my 2004 black with a/c cd xenons p/sensors with 24k miles went for £31,500 trade buyout and sold after for 34k.
I would take a look at both and buy primarily on condition.
Personally I think upgraded breaks are a neutral factor as the standard brakes are fine unless you really want to abuse the car on a track. Therefore the bonus breaks come at the likely cost that the car has been regularly tracked.....
Despite whats said I suspect less than 50% of these cars have been tracked, mine wasnt as I couldnt get insurance cover and didnt want to risk what was £45k's worth at the time.
Bennno
You can get the standard brakes to fade on the road, the AP brakes are a huge improvement for all types of driving, the feel is brilliant. I would say more than 50% have been on a track at least once in their life, if not you are not getting the full CSL experience IMO, and anyway, these cars are built to track and take it in their stride.
Agree about buying on condition but from what I know about Anis his car has been very well cared for.
Agree about buying on condition but from what I know about Anis his car has been very well cared for.
m12_nathan said:
Agree about buying on condition but from what I know about Anis his car has been very well cared for.
Spot on Nathan. Most CSL enthusiasts look after their cars and most (not just mine) should be very well looked after. I don't think many people own such cars without taking quite a lot of pride in them.
Yes, my car has been on track twice, but I'm not a track day person but wanted to take it as that is what the CSL is all about. The brakes just provide peace of mind more than anything else as they can withstand continued hard braking. Then again I know CSL owners who brake just as hard on road and they swear by APs. Each to their own I say. Some buyers may not touch a car with AP brakes for their own reasons, whereas others will look at it as a great way of getting into a CSL without then having to go down the brake upgrade route which would prove more costly.
m12_nathan said:
You can get the standard brakes to fade on the road, the AP brakes are a huge improvement for all types of driving, the feel is brilliant. I would say more than 50% have been on a track at least once in their life, if not you are not getting the full CSL experience IMO, and anyway, these cars are built to track and take it in their stride.
Agree about buying on condition but from what I know about Anis his car has been very well cared for.
Agree about buying on condition but from what I know about Anis his car has been very well cared for.
I never got brake fade on mine during hard road use. If the CSL was built for track use then why do the brakes need upgrading?
From experience its normally a pain insuring modified cars as you limit your choice of insurer - as almost all of the most reasonably priced ones dont like any modifications.
Bennno
My insurance company didn't change my premium due to the AP brakes. In fact some companies look at it favourably as upgraded brakes are safer. Its not like your insurance company would come to the conclusion that you are upgrading your brakes for track use considering you would need separate track day cover to be able to do that and you would have to notify your insurance company.
Anyway, as I said, it's personal preference. There is a very strong market for AP brakes, I have had a load of emails asking me if I want to sell them separately to the car.
Anyway, as I said, it's personal preference. There is a very strong market for AP brakes, I have had a load of emails asking me if I want to sell them separately to the car.
This argument's been done to death, I think the vast majority of owners think the AP's are an excellent upgrade, and essential if you take the car on track a lot. As for insurance, just renewed mine with Admiral, cheapest by a long way and didn't seem to care about the modifications (although they won't pay out to replace them in the event of a claim).
If you are looking for a road car only the Standard with Warranty is probably for you, but if you are thinking about some track use every year say 2-3 times then you will kick yourself if you dont do the AP upgrade car.
Thats assuming the condition of both is ok relative to mileage.
The weakest part of my car is the brakes (on track only) and the stereo which sounds rubbish. You can buy a Warranty direct policy form them which (after a month) will cover you for up to £5000 with £25 excess and in differnet ways better than the BMW extended policy.
Good luck and both will be a hoot if they are in good nick and not hiding any big problems (just knock them down to £32k)
Thats assuming the condition of both is ok relative to mileage.
The weakest part of my car is the brakes (on track only) and the stereo which sounds rubbish. You can buy a Warranty direct policy form them which (after a month) will cover you for up to £5000 with £25 excess and in differnet ways better than the BMW extended policy.
Good luck and both will be a hoot if they are in good nick and not hiding any big problems (just knock them down to £32k)
R1_nur said:
I am currently living overseas which makes my search for the best possible CSL rather difficult.
Which do you reckon is the best buy out of these cars?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/131331.htm
www.pistonheads.com/sales/127749.htm
Or any other ideas?
Thanks.
Which do you reckon is the best buy out of these cars?
www.pistonheads.com/sales/131331.htm
www.pistonheads.com/sales/127749.htm
Or any other ideas?
Thanks.
Well of the 2 cars above. None are now available. The first owner decided that they loved the cat too much and couldn't sell it and the second one I bought...
Mine is a credit to its previous owner, Anis, and the sound system is awesome..However I do tend to switch it off and listen to the exhaust note !!
I looked at afew before I bought this one and there are some rough ones about, despite having low mileage, so my advice is always buy on condition, as it reflects how the car has been cared for.
Edited by CSLM3 on Sunday 4th March 14:54
CSLM3 said:
bromers2 said:
Congrats.
Won't be long until Anis buys another one
Won't be long until Anis buys another one
Yes, I will give him 6 months, before the pull of the CSL is too strong.
I am on my 3rd one now, but I am keeping this one !! Love the sounds...
Anyone want to buy an M3 cab :-)
It's because of you guys that I can't bring myself to sell mine. I suspect I would only have to buy another one and it's nice knowing that I'm the first owner of my present one.
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