CSL Vs 911 Turbo...
Discussion
Had a little play with a couple of chaps in a 911 Turbo (996) the other night. They booted it as we came off a roundabout so I thought I'd go for it for a laugh, not expecting to keep up (if I'm honest). However, I was on his bumper for quite a while, hitting 1.5+ units then he eventually slowed a bit and pulled over to let me past so I obliged and he gave chase - same result, neither of us could make any ground on the other. Thumbs up were duly swapped and we went on our seperate ways. Great fun 
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
The both carry an identical power/weight, but the 996TT obviously has a higher torque/weight although how that translates to the road depends very much on gearing. A breathed on 996TT would be a very different prospect, but standard ones are on a par. When I came across 996TT drivers are Bedford there was nothing in it for acceleration along the back straight.
The Dude said:
Had a little play with a couple of chaps in a 911 Turbo (996) the other night. They booted it as we came off a roundabout so I thought I'd go for it for a laugh, not expecting to keep up (if I'm honest). However, I was on his bumper for quite a while, hitting 1.5+ units then he eventually slowed a bit and pulled over to let me past so I obliged and he gave chase - same result, neither of us could make any ground on the other. Thumbs up were duly swapped and we went on our seperate ways. Great fun
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
Hi Neal mate,long time no see,you sure it was not a body kitted VW Beetle
rods said:
The Dude said:
Had a little play with a couple of chaps in a 911 Turbo (996) the other night. They booted it as we came off a roundabout so I thought I'd go for it for a laugh, not expecting to keep up (if I'm honest). However, I was on his bumper for quite a while, hitting 1.5+ units then he eventually slowed a bit and pulled over to let me past so I obliged and he gave chase - same result, neither of us could make any ground on the other. Thumbs up were duly swapped and we went on our seperate ways. Great fun
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
Must say I was really surprised as I expected to, how you say, get my ass handed to me on a plate. How do the CSLs figures compare to a 996 Turbo? Mine is "breathed on" but I had three-up, compared to the 911's two so....
Hi Neal mate,long time no see,you sure it was not a body kitted VW Beetle
Alright Rob! Been meaning to get in touch, I'll give you a bell this week sometime (if you're in the country?) It obviously wasn't your car if the stories I've heard are true...
Beemer-5 said:
I am surprised that the 420 bhp 996 TT didn't have an advantage in general shove, it has 60 bhp and a huge amount of torque in hand over my CSL.
I know i couldn't stay with a optioned 996 (450 bhp) which i came across recently.
Both damn good and fast machinery, whatever.
I know i couldn't stay with a optioned 996 (450 bhp) which i came across recently.
Both damn good and fast machinery, whatever.
If it has 60bhp over the CSL then is the 996 a lot heavier (lowering the BHP/tonne)? Doesn't make sense otherwise, there really was nothing in it, in what was essentially a drag race.
i'm suprised that the CSL was able to stay with a 996 turbo (auto), my own experience of driving a M3 SMG and passenger in a 996 turbo on the same road (20mph - 120mph) is that 996 turbo was faster.. where the M3 SMG was getting close to hitting 110, the 996 was doing just over 120mph..
both are fantastic cars
both are fantastic cars
99TT=1585kg iirc
Lined against my friend in a very well prepared evo7 with 425hp and there was nothing in apart from the car length he pulled on me off the line.
M3(smg) is somewhat different to the csl(smg) although only 17bhp less it is 100-150kg heavier and less agressive power delivery. Not bringing the handling into this!
Lined against my friend in a very well prepared evo7 with 425hp and there was nothing in apart from the car length he pulled on me off the line.
M3(smg) is somewhat different to the csl(smg) although only 17bhp less it is 100-150kg heavier and less agressive power delivery. Not bringing the handling into this!
The power/weight ratios of the 996TT and the CSL are both in the 260-265 bhp/tonne range, so they should be pretty evenly matched, although I would sexpect the Porsche's 4wd to give it an advantage off the line.
Sport Auto's Ring times were 7.50 for the CSL and 7.56 for the 420 bhp 996TT (same driver), so I'd say they're pretty evenly matched.
Sport Auto's Ring times were 7.50 for the CSL and 7.56 for the 420 bhp 996TT (same driver), so I'd say they're pretty evenly matched.
I've owned both and if the porsche is driven as it should be it would pull a good few car lengths on the CSL and over 100mph the Porsche just keeps pulling very strong to over 180mph, I've also had some very fast trips with a mate who has a CSL and drives it to the limit and when I had the porsche I had to ease off as I was nearly in the back of him.
So in reallity the porsche is a fair bit quicker than the Csl, just wait untill you come across one that is driven properly and the guy behind the wheel is no pussy and gives it the full beans, I think you will be surprised
So in reallity the porsche is a fair bit quicker than the Csl, just wait untill you come across one that is driven properly and the guy behind the wheel is no pussy and gives it the full beans, I think you will be surprised
Marquis_Rex said:
Good work!
[Did the 996 Turbo driver know you were racing him?]
[Did the 996 Turbo driver know you were racing him?]
Oh definitely, we swapped over a few times (chaser and chasee) and we both gave each other a
when we parted ways. It seemed that he was faster off the roundabouts (when we had to come to a stop) up to about 40, then I seemed to be faster to about 100, after that there was nothing in it at all. And I wasn't holding him up as we were on a virtually empty dual-carriageway so plenty of opportunity for either of us to pass each other, we just couldn't do it.
And it was definitely a 996 turbo, not a 993.
The Turbo has better traction (hence the 0-60 time that you quote). At bedford a 996 Turbo on corsa semi slicks would pull away coming out of the hair pins, then the gap would stay the same until braking or corner entry, the CSL would gain there, only for the 911 to get great traction out of the next corner. He let us by in the end though All other turbos I've seen on track haven't been driven well and are very easy to catch and pass so you don't get to compare the 2 cars properly. Down a bumpy b road the turbo would just vanish into the distance, same if it were wet.
0-60 0-100 60-100
CSL 4.8 10.8 6.0
996 Turbo 3.6 9.4 5.8
.2 of a second in it from 60-100, not even noticeable really and it does back up that once rolling there isn't that much in it. The extra person in the turbo probably accounts for it.
All other turbos I've seen on track haven't been driven well and are very easy to catch and pass so you don't get to compare the 2 cars properly. Down a bumpy b road the turbo would just vanish into the distance, same if it were wet. 0-60 0-100 60-100
CSL 4.8 10.8 6.0
996 Turbo 3.6 9.4 5.8
.2 of a second in it from 60-100, not even noticeable really and it does back up that once rolling there isn't that much in it. The extra person in the turbo probably accounts for it.
klm said:
Sorry but I'm not buying this, a turbo is a very quick car and although a Csl is quick the Porka would streak away.
Csl 0-60mph 4.8secs
996tt 0-60mph 3.6secs
Get my drift now
Csl 0-60mph 4.8secs
996tt 0-60mph 3.6secs
Get my drift now
What about 0-100 or 0-150 times?
What are you "not buying"? I'm not making it up, it did really happen just as I described. Perhaps, as you say, he was a crap driver or something. I'm no great shakes myself though and as I said, I had three-up compared to his two. My car is also not standard, as I said, but only about 20-25 bhp above a normal CSL. And, as I said, I did expect to get left for dust but it didn't happen.
I'm not one for cock waving, I honestly didn't expect to keep up (and vice versa) and would've said "yeah, fair enough" if I'd watched him disappear into the horizon. We were both certainly making an effort and I kept up with him well over 1.5 units where we both backed off.
Take it or leave it, I'm not particularly arsed TBH, I never started the thread as a claim that CSLs are faster than 996 turbos.
The Dude says the CSL has been modified but he also says that the he is carrying an extra passenger.
The question is really, either the CSL is quite heavily breathed on or the 966TT is driving below its limits (which is probably more likely). For a CSL to be as quick with an extra passenger would require some modification.
The other possibilty is the 996TT wasn't on top form and not operating at 100%
The question is really, either the CSL is quite heavily breathed on or the 966TT is driving below its limits (which is probably more likely). For a CSL to be as quick with an extra passenger would require some modification.
The other possibilty is the 996TT wasn't on top form and not operating at 100%
The Dude said:
klm said:
Sorry but I'm not buying this, a turbo is a very quick car and although a Csl is quick the Porka would streak away.
Csl 0-60mph 4.8secs
996tt 0-60mph 3.6secs
Get my drift now
Csl 0-60mph 4.8secs
996tt 0-60mph 3.6secs
Get my drift now
What about 0-100 or 0-150 times?
What are you "not buying"? I'm not making it up, it did really happen just as I described. Perhaps, as you say, he was a crap driver or something. I'm no great shakes myself though and as I said, I had three-up compared to his two. My car is also not standard, as I said, but only about 20-25 bhp above a normal CSL. And, as I said, I did expect to get left for dust but it didn't happen.
I'm not one for cock waving, I honestly didn't expect to keep up (and vice versa) and would've said "yeah, fair enough" if I'd watched him disappear into the horizon. We were both certainly making an effort and I kept up with him well over 1.5 units where we both backed off.
Take it or leave it, I'm not particularly arsed TBH, I never started the thread as a claim that CSLs are faster than 996 turbos.
I don't know about anyone else but I thought this thread was quite interesting.
They are both superb cars and it interesting to see the outcome of a head to head. I'm personally not doubting you but I would expect the 996TT to see of the CSL espcially with an extra passenger. There are many variables to take into account though and as I have experienced sometimes you need a large amount extra to make the difference stick.
Keep driving the CSL the way it is supposed to be driven!
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